Re: [License-discuss] The three license discussion

2019-05-27 Thread Brian Behlendorf
[note: moving to license-discuss] On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:12 PM Bruce Perens via License-review wrote: So, why don't we guide people to use this strategically coherent set? It would seem to me to be a step forward. I definitely find it annoying to have to wrestle with N different mi

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-05-27 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 3:34 PM Lawrence Rosen wrote: > Pam, I said this to Bruce and the list: "Yes, OSI must do more to educate > the public, but your remarks make our community stupid." > I have attempted to steer this discussion back to arguing about licenses, and appreciate your participati

[License-discuss] A quotation from a book I'm reading

2019-05-27 Thread Lawrence Rosen
"... a really new field of experience will always lead to crystallization of a new system of scientific concepts and laws ... when faced with essentially new intellectual challenges, we continually follow the example of Columbus who possessed the courage to leave the known world in almost insane ho

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-05-27 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Pam, I said this to Bruce and the list: "Yes, OSI must do more to educate the public, but your remarks make our community stupid." This is not about Bruce, whom I clearly stated I respect still. I have had a long and mostly positive relationship with him over the years. It is about his oft-r

[License-discuss] Crossposting Considered Harmful (was: [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI)

2019-05-27 Thread Rick Moen
¡Hola! Please note: > To: "Tzeng, Nigel H." > Cc: Bruce Perens , > License submissions for OSI review > , > "license-discuss@lists.opensource.org" > To paraphrase the illustrious Jamie Zawinski's famous jibe about awk, 'A man once had a problem with a contentiou

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-05-27 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
Well, fortunately there is no great penalty for snobbery, or lightning bolts would be striking from on high. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.opensource.org http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensourc

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-05-27 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 9:39 PM Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: > 3. My agenda is mostly limited to wishing that we have more GOSS. > > If government lawyers believe they have a requirement for X and without X > they won’t recommend open sourcing then providing them a license that > provides X results in

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-05-27 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
1. Pointing out that NOSA was held up for 3 years by Richard is not “attacking the messenger” but a criticism of his actions as moderator. Neither Richard nor Bruce are beyond reproach and I hope that the criticisms have been (mostly) polite. Bringing up their positions of authority is another

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-05-27 Thread John Cowan
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 9:52 AM Henrik Ingo wrote: Your assumption that vast hordes of developers aren't strongly > pro-copyleft is also mistaken. > I don't know about hordes, but certainly the BSD and clang communities (which overlap) tend to be so. One, certainly not the only, reason for deve

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-05-27 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 9:31 PM Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: > > I hope and believe that i have not engaged in any ad-hom attacks. If I have > then I apologize. > > That said, I don’t believe that stating my perception that you two dominate > the list is ad-hom. > Considering that one has been actin