Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss
> On May 22, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > > And so OSI should educate you that patents are sometimes very important, and > that the BSD license is currently not very useful in the open source > environment. It is risky! Has this actually been tested and/or demonstrated yet anyw

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Lawrence Rosen (lro...@rosenlaw.com): > > Today, I declare that a codebase is 2-clause BSD licensed. > > As you have the obvious right to do. > > But as someone recently reminded me, and I remind this list, the OSI charter > includes the obligation to "educate the public about open sour

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Rick Moen wrote: > Today, I declare that a codebase is 2-clause BSD licensed. As you have the obvious right to do. But as someone recently reminded me, and I remind this list, the OSI charter includes the obligation to "educate the public about open source." And so OSI should educate you

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread John Cowan
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:19 PM Rick Moen wrote: > A limiting example can illustrate why: Today, I declare that a codebase > is 2-clause BSD licensed. I post tarballs with compiled binaries. > [...] > > Is that software covered by an open source licence? Absolutely. Is the > software open s

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
Since I've only been participating on this list since about June of last year, after a vacation of many years, I am surprised that nobody is calling us to return to the good old days of the early 2018 license-discuss mailing list. No, it's 2012, when I was participating, it seems. I pulled the June

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Henrik Ingo (henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi): [revisiting CC0:] > And me, and others... This was the quickly growing consensus. Including me, emphatically. For whatever that's worth. I note with appreciation Richard Fontana reminding us of the then-recent context of the MXM/MPEG-LA matter.

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
On 5/22/19, 10:06 AM, "License-discuss on behalf of Richard Fontana" wrote: >What concerned me, and I remember Carlo noting this as well, was the >possibility that OSI, or l-r, would treat similar licenses differently >based on varying sentimental attitudes toward the licens

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
I brought it up in the context of a description of the past made by Richard. There is also an active thread titled "history of l-r/org relationship" in which you are a participant. The lack of CC0 on the list of OSI approved licenses is on topic for both threads don't you think? 2012 was proba

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:43 PM Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: > > Let's clarify the history on CC0. > > > > Objection to CC0 was primarily you and Bruce which made it DOA regardless of > the opinions of the rest of the list. There was no "quickly growing > consensus" when they pulled the plug. > And

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Richard Fontana
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:15 AM Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: > > Let's clarify the history on CC0. > > > > Objection to CC0 was primarily you and Bruce which made it DOA regardless of > the opinions of the rest of the list. There was no "quickly growing > consensus" when they pulled the plug. You're

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss
I believe the underlying problem is that the OSI as a community has been largely ineffective at reconciling patent right concerns with respect to the OSD. On the one side, you have people that seem to think of patents as this extrinsic issue, that a license (only) pertains to copyright concern

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list

2019-05-22 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
Let's clarify the history on CC0. Objection to CC0 was primarily you and Bruce which made it DOA regardless of the opinions of the rest of the list. There was no "quickly growing consensus" when they pulled the plug. Many, if not the majority, of folks on L-R thought this should have been

Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list [was Re: [License-review] For Legacy Approval: LBNL BSD]

2019-05-22 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:43 AM Richard Fontana wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 1:30 AM Stephen Paul Weber > wrote: > > > > ‎> Saying "OSI's list isn't very useful in contracts or scanners" does > > carry an implicit question that I've probably also said explicitly on > > occasion: if people d