Re: [License-discuss] Fwd: discussion of L-R process [was Re: [License-review] Approval: Server Side Public License, Version 2 (SSPL v2)]

2019-03-18 Thread Luis Villa
[In the interests of brevity, have been aggressive in cutting and rearranging both of our quoted emails.] On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 11:32 AM Richard Fontana < richard.font...@opensource.org> wrote: > > It would be helpful if you could point more specifically to when and > how the discussion turned

Re: [License-discuss] The pro se license constructor

2019-03-18 Thread John Sullivan
Bruce Perens writes: > 2. Use PEP. This appears to be an RFC-like process, and I am not yet clear > how it avoids the complaint about the present process, which is that > discussion of the proposal on a mailing list seems to be un-trackable or > uncomfortable. Python mostly used the python-dev ma

Re: [License-discuss] [Fedora-legal-list] Re: The license of OpenMotif (Open Group Public License)

2019-03-18 Thread Bruce Perens
Both Red Hat and Debian treat the terms of the distribution the same as what they ask for in the software. When I last checked, Red Hat was using the GPL Version 2 as a compilation license. Both wanted commercial derivatives (Red Hat for their own use). So, this sort of restriction was not allowabl

Re: [License-discuss] [Fedora-legal-list] Re: The license of OpenMotif (Open Group Public License)

2019-03-18 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Tom Callaway dixit: >On 10/26/2018 11:32 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: >> So if it's not as free everywhere as it would be in Debian, >> it's not free enough for Debian. > >It has never happened that I know of, but if there were a copyright >license which was somehow okay only in Fedora (but not for an

Re: [License-discuss] The per se license constructor

2019-03-18 Thread Bruce Perens
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 6:07 AM John Cowan wrote: > Well, that pretty much reflects the law: U.S. government employee work > product *is* in the public domain in the U.S., and *isn't* in the public > domain in other countries unless the foreign law makes it so. > I want to see the United States

Re: [License-discuss] For Public Comment: The Cryptographic Autonomy License

2019-03-18 Thread Bruce Perens
OK. I will try to generate a two-sentence clause that preserves the customer's specific fears in their selected wording while being broader and not a use restriction, and submit it for your approval. Thanks Bruce On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 7:15 AM VanL wrote: > This is best thought of as

Re: [License-discuss] For Public Comment: The Cryptographic Autonomy License

2019-03-18 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 10:36 PM VanL wrote: > Hi Henrik, > > Thanks for the commentary! > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 2:47 PM Henrik Ingo > wrote: > >> >> *About the main goal of this proposal, User Data:* >> >> It immediately stands out that this license also grants rights to third >> parties. T

Re: [License-discuss] For Public Comment: The Cryptographic Autonomy License

2019-03-18 Thread VanL
This is best thought of as an extended anti-Tivoization clause. It concerns a particular type of attack on user freedom that can arise in the context of distributed systems that use cryptographic primitives as functional and addressing elements. It is related to, but broader than, the concept of ca

Re: [License-discuss] The per se license constructor

2019-03-18 Thread John Cowan
On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 10:23 PM Bruce Perens wrote: No, I don't believe this is the problem. The problem is that the terms do > pernicious things like attempt to limit the public domain to national > boundaries with contractual terms. It's a terrible precedent for OSI to > approve. > Well, that