Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Nick Weinstock wrote: > If a license says "You have a license to use my Trademark on the condition that you pay me $XYX" is the money consideration or a condition of the license? What if it says "You will have a license to use my Trademark as long as you continue to pay me $XYZ per month," does th

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Luis Villa
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock (nwein...@qti.qualcomm.com): > > > The possibility of unintentionally including licenses as "Open Source" > > that the community does not view as providing proper software freedom > > is mostly philosophica

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock
We agree regarding the first two licenses, I'll cut those out for readability. Regarding BSD, it seems like you're saying that you think it would (or should) not be accepted by OSI if it were newly proposed today. So would it be fair to say that taking up the new OSD would include some caveat t

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Nick Weinstock wrote: > To your question below, I can cite two examples of RichardÂ’s concern: And you also cited two examples of your own concern about unapproved/un-approvable licenses. Thanks! I appreciate that. * Ms-LPL: True. That license is not open source because it fails OSD #

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock (nwein...@qti.qualcomm.com): > The possibility of unintentionally including licenses as "Open Source" > that the community does not view as providing proper software freedom > is mostly philosophical. But the possibility of licenses no longer > being "Open

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock
This crossed in the ether with my response to Richard. To your question below, I can cite two examples of Richard's concern: * Ms-LPL is generally viewed as not "Open Source" because it has a platform limitation. It's not listed in SPDX or on OSI. It would satisfy this definition. * Code Pro

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Bruce Perens
Larry, As far as I am aware, where the previous OSI board has worst "screwed up" has been in accepting crayon licenses that can be harmful to the community (my favorite is the SIL Open Font license, which I contend allows third parties to place a font in the public domain). The OSD would not, on i

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock
I agree. On the flip side, I would also say that there are be some licenses widely understood to be "Open Source" that would seem to fail a highly literalist reading of the OSD. The possibility of unintentionally including licenses as "Open Source" that the community does not view as providi

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Richard Fontana wrote: > I can easily come up with hypothetical licenses that would seem not to fail a highly literalist reading of the OSD, but which historically would never have been *treated* as conforming to the OSD, because of an obvious failure of the license to provide software freedom as

Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process

2018-12-13 Thread Richard Fontana
On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 03:42:08PM -0800, Luis Villa wrote: > (1) what is the proposed test for "guarantees software freedom"? > (2) if the answer to #1 is something like "the same tests as the FSF would > apply" (either explicitly or implicitly), does the board plan to talk with > FSF about mergin