Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2021-01-06 Thread Michael Meeks
On 29/12/2020 16:29, Thorsten Behrens wrote: >> XRender. Hopefully I’m reading the code right. If I am reading that >> right, are there any distributions that ship X11 *without* XRender? >> > I believe that's the wrong question to ask - there's always going to > be a fringe use case where Xrender

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2021-01-04 Thread Luboš Luňák
On Tuesday 29 of December 2020, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: > We could start by gathering the concrete things that we use X11 backend > for. > > One of them is UI tests, where we advise to use SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen > when we want to observe the UI while running tests or while logging UI > events in t

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2021-01-04 Thread Luboš Luňák
On Tuesday 29 of December 2020, Chris Sherlock wrote: > Hi all, > > I am interested in knowing the future of the X11 VCL backend now that we > have a Skia backend. Just to avoid any possible confusion, I'd like to point out that 'X11 VCL backend' is ambiguous, because VCL backends may themselves

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2021-01-04 Thread Luboš Luňák
On Tuesday 29 of December 2020, Chris Sherlock wrote: > On 29 Dec 2020, at 6:43 pm, r...@rene-engelhard.de wrote: > > Big endian architectures where skis does not work? > > > > In debian: s390x > > > > Regards > > > > René > > Oh! I didn’t know about that… ouch. > > I asked before, but in the X11Sa

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-31 Thread Chris Sherlock
> On 30 Dec 2020, at 3:31 am, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > > Chris Sherlock wrote: > >> I asked before, but in the X11SalGraphicsImpl::supportOperation(), >> it seems to be checking to see if the X Server supports >> XRender. Hopefully I’m reading the code right. If I am reading that >> right, a

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Chris Sherlock wrote: > On 29 Dec 2020, at 6:43 pm, r...@rene-engelhard.de wrote: > >> If not, may I ask the reason? It seems maintenance heavy. > > > > Big endian architectures where skis does not work? > > > > In debian: s390x > > > Currently, skia doesn't even build on x86 (and their upstre

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread rene
Hi, Am 29. Dezember 2020 07:13:08 MEZ schrieb Chris Sherlock : > Are there any plans afoot to remove it and just >go with the Skia backend? Hopefully not,... >If not, may I ask the reason? It seems maintenance heavy. Big endian architectures where skis does not work? In debian: s390x Rega

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread julien2412
Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote > On 29.12.2020 11.11, julien2412 wrote: >> ... > kf5 comes from KDE Frameworks 5. Thank you, I'll try to remember this one. Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote > The extra libs to install are (on Debian & Ubuntu): > > qtbase5-dev libkf5coreaddons-dev libkf5i18n-dev libkf5config-d

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread Chris Sherlock
On 29 Dec 2020, at 6:43 pm, r...@rene-engelhard.de wrote: > > Hi, > > Am 29. Dezember 2020 07:13:08 MEZ schrieb Chris Sherlock > : >> Are there any plans afoot to remove it and just >> go with the Skia backend? > > Hopefully not,... > >> If not, may I ask the reason? It seems maintenance heav

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread julien2412
Hello Ilmari, I use gen rendering when trying to be nearer of a Windows config. Indeed, I'm on pc Debian x86-64 with master sources and by default it uses gtk3. Badfully, gtk3 uses accessibility part which has been quite broken since years (but I suppose no one will want to remove it). So sometime

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread julien2412
Hello Chris, Just my personal opinion of course but I think my message from 2020-04-25 is still relevant (see http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/SKIA-on-Windows-Roadmap-ESC-agenda-item-tt4277989.html#a4278039), I'll just quote myself: " 1) if Luboš doesn't want or can't a

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread Michael Stahl
On 29.12.20 12:10, Tomaž Vajngerl wrote: Hi, On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 3:25 PM Ilmari Lauhakangas mailto:ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org>> wrote: On 29.12.2020 8.13, Chris Sherlock wrote: > I am interested in knowing the future of the X11 VCL backend now that we have a Skia backend.

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread Tomaž Vajngerl
Hi, On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 3:25 PM Ilmari Lauhakangas < ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote: > On 29.12.2020 8.13, Chris Sherlock wrote: > > I am interested in knowing the future of the X11 VCL backend now that we > have a Skia backend. Are there any plans afoot to remove it and just go >

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-29 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 29.12.2020 11.11, julien2412 wrote: I use gen rendering when trying to be nearer of a Windows config. Indeed, I'm on pc Debian x86-64 with master sources and by default it uses gtk3. Badfully, gtk3 uses accessibility part which has been quite broken since years (but I suppose no one will want

Re: Dropping X11 VCL backend

2020-12-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 29.12.2020 8.13, Chris Sherlock wrote: I am interested in knowing the future of the X11 VCL backend now that we have a Skia backend. Are there any plans afoot to remove it and just go with the Skia backend? If not, may I ask the reason? It seems maintenance heavy. If we are, do we have a p