Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-13

2022-07-13 Thread John Mills
I would suggest to concentrate on the requested benefit for LibreOffice users first and why this measure is  being proposed to train some perspective. In your example you propose by some percentage will inadvertently select to opt in to the anonymous non mandatory data collection. And some amount

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-13

2022-07-13 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
On 14/07/2022 0:44, John Mills wrote: Do you consider people manipulated by asking them an unambiguous question that would default to no? "Would you like to place a bet of 100 EUR on a die roll, winning an extra 100 on a 6 and losing otherwise? [N/Y]: N_ Suppose I ask a million people this que

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-13

2022-07-13 Thread John Mills
I just don't follow this logic at all. '       + probably a question "Do you want to share data..." as opt-in           + That's manipulative and inappropriate:     1. Many people just click "yes yes yes" to get through installations, assuming it's all benign.     2. People will be presented an imb

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-13

2022-07-13 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
There are a more concerns, and questions, and potential answers to questions. These include additions I've made after the session concluded, based partially on my points in the chat, and as suggested I do by Heiko. For now I'll just add the Questions section after my additions. Questions + W