On 2012-07-26 at 17:50 +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> Please, everyone who wants to do an incompatible change, and will work
> on it, move it in the 'LibreOffice4' wiki page to the following section,
> together with your name:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4#Stuff
Hi,
On 2012-07-20 at 17:20 +0200, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> So, as long as we decide to do c) when switching to LO4 (which AFAIK we plan
> to do, even if c) alone is not the reason), the page first needs to be
> cleaned up to contain only items that actually do have something to do with
> LibreOff
On 07/20/2012 05:20 PM, Lubos Lunak wrote:
Option c) can mean either stopping supporting some file formats, or breaking
API/ABI compatibility. For file formats we want to do this with binfilter
AFAIK, nothing else, and this is a lot like b) as well in that it's just done
and that's it. Breaking
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 19:59 +0200, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> By the way, could somebody please confirm this or list the things where we
> do
> need to care about stability to the outside world? I know ure/source/README
> has a list of libraries, but this is not only about libraries.
In the
Hi Thorsten,
On Friday, 2012-07-20 19:03:41 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
> Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > Hmm. That makes it something we should take into consideration then, but
> > that
> > consideration may be quickly over with saying that it's internal API and as
> > such we don't care about pe
On Friday 20 of July 2012, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> And after all this is done, it should be easier to actually talk about
> LO4, because we'll know what the talk is actually about. As for the
> technical details (i.e. c) ), we'll need to decide how to handle the
> breakages it'll cause for extensions
On Friday 20 of July 2012, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
> Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > Hmm. That makes it something we should take into consideration then, but
> > that consideration may be quickly over with saying that it's internal API
> > and as such we don't care about people who abuse it.
>
> There's mo
On Friday 20 of July 2012, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> On Friday 20 of July 2012, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 17:20 +0200, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > > Now, if you look at
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 , a lot of
> > > the stuff there does not belong to
On 07/20/2012 12:50 PM, Lubos Lunak wrote:
- "de-UNO-ize the ODF import and export filters." is a purely internal
matter that does not affect anything outside of LO core (or am I wrong
here?)
that depends on whether crazy people have tried to hook into / use
those interfaces from their
Lubos Lunak wrote:
> Hmm. That makes it something we should take into consideration then, but
> that
> consideration may be quickly over with saying that it's internal API and as
> such we don't care about people who abuse it.
>
There's more nuance required here I think. Substantial use of
"un
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 06:33:20PM +0200, john malc wrote:
> Hi,
> I have some ideas :
>3. kick Draw and Math-parts out of LO. Either make it as plugin or just
>kill it. 1) nobody uses it (Math> Latex; Draw > photoshop, corel, gimp
>etc.);
Can we see the numbers, please?
> 2) installe
john malc wrote:
> I have some ideas :
>
Again the reminder that ideas or discussions _without_ any intention
to work on them *in the code*, are off-topic here. Please move them
to disc...@documentfoundation.org (subscribe via email to
discuss+subscr...@documentfoundation.org).
Thanks for keeping
On Friday 20 of July 2012, Michael Meeks wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 17:20 +0200, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > Now, if you look at
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 , a lot of
> > the stuff there does not belong to the page at all, as it has absolutely
> > nothing to do
On Friday 20 of July 2012, john malc wrote:
> Hi,
> I have some ideas :
>
>1. *rewrite whole LO* (writer, base etc.) from scratch, which would make
>all documents unable to open in 3.x. This is very important task, mainly
>because of MS Office and the future of LO. The whole thing with
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 06:33:20PM +0200, john malc
wrote:
>1. *rewrite whole LO*
I know, it's Friday, but still... ;-)
Some reading: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog69.html
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On 20/07/12 18:27, Randolph D. wrote:
> ok michael, you wrote friendly, so all ideas given. but I wounder why
> Lubos is allowed to write about a marketing brainstorming :-)
Lubos writes about _what_?
On 20/07/12 17:20, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> a) for marketing reasons [...]
>
> As a) is not techni
Hi,
I have some ideas :
1. *rewrite whole LO* (writer, base etc.) from scratch, which would make
all documents unable to open in 3.x. This is very important task, mainly
because of MS Office and the future of LO. The whole thing with plugins
should be same as with documents.
2. make
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 17:20 +0200, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> Now, if you look at
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 , a lot of the
> stuff there does not belong to the page at all, as it has absolutely nothing
> to do with any of the above:
Can you edit the page
ok michael, you wrote friendly, so all ideas given. but I wounder why
Lubos is allowed to write about a marketing brainstorming :-)
2012/7/20 Michael Meeks :
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Hi Randolph,
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 17:29 +0200, Randolph D. wrote:
> For me the 4 Version would be different from other versions, if the
> office suite includes a browser and a messenger
This is a developer list. Please move this suggestion to the discuss
list. It is fine to have vision &
2012/7/20 Lubos Lunak :
> On Thursday 19 of July 2012, Michael Meeks wrote:
>> * 4.0 - when to call it that ? (Kendy)
> So for that, we should first decide
> on what "LibreOffice4" will mean.
>
> Summary:
> - it needs to be said what we expect from "LibreOffice4"
> - the wiki page with technical t
On Thursday 19 of July 2012, Michael Meeks wrote:
> * 4.0 - when to call it that ? (Kendy)
> + extension downloads
> + some quite popular PDF import 3m downloads
> + mysql - 330k
> + spellcheck dicts - 300k
> + renaming com::sun::star a problem
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