Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Lubos Lunak
On Saturday 04 of June 2011, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 22:06 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: > > So here is my suggestion: I propose the everyone here head over to the > > Apache Incubator and join the proposal as an initial member. > > Just so you know, I've been following that thr

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Allen, *, On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Allen Pulsifer wrote: > [...] > I don't know what vision IBM has for the project.  I don't know what code > contribution they are going to make--I'm certain they will make some, but I > don't know what they will be.  I don't know what contributions mem

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Allen, On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 09:08 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: > If we wait however, we risk being locked out. That is what Rob's blog tries to imply. My conversations with various key Apache leaders suggest that, on the contrary, their governance will -never- lock people out; it is g

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Hello Kohei, Thank you for your reply. I can certainly understand your sentiment, and I completely respect it. Just to clarify one thing: > Suggesting that we somehow owe anything to them just because of the past is, > to put it mildly insane, and in some way insulting. I certainly never made

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Allen, On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 22:06 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: > > So here is my suggestion: I propose the everyone here head over to the > Apache Incubator and join the proposal as an initial member. Just so you know, I've been following that thread on the Apache list by reading the archives,

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Allen Pulsifer wrote: > But the time to jump in is now. We can't wait. > What is that nonsense?! I can start contributing to Apache anytime I want - and it's not that the initial committers have *any* exclusive right on anything. Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpY7ICP7LI9V.pgp Description: PGP signatur

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Hello All, I'm going to try to address as many of the concerns raised as I can in one email. I'm not suggesting that anyone go work for IBM. In fact, I'm suggesting just the opposite; I'm suggesting that we all work together to get IBM working for us. Here's the deal. IBM is the main proponent

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread LRN
On 04.06.2011 6:06, Allen Pulsifer wrote: Among other requirements, the podling project has to review the copyright history of all code to ensure it has a clean "title" and is or can be licensed under the Apache License. A lurker is speaking here. AFAIU, one of the reasons why Go-Openoffice spl

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Pantelis Koukousoulas
2011/6/4 Jesús Corrius : > As if understanding and using the "old" OOo build mechanisms which have been > somewhat adapted at LO wasn't hard enough. As a user (with just a tiny contribution) I really wish that OO.o would just die already. It is not "just" that the current community are much more

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Jesús Corrius
> And finally, whether it would make any sense from the technical point of view > for LibreOffice contributors to even try to participate in OOo at ASF depends > very much on what actually ends up there, and in what direction it is taken > by the presumed main driving force, IBM. For all we know

Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Tor Lillqvist
> So here is my suggestion: I propose the everyone here head over to the > Apache Incubator and join the proposal as an initial member. Well, at least for me the problem is: I *work* on LibreOffice. I f I wasn't paid to do it, I doubt I would touch it. Or maybe I would, hard to know. As far as

[Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Greetings All, Some of you will remember me as a long time member of the OpenOffice.org community. In fact, back in the day, it was sometimes just myself and Michael Meeks who were openly complaining on the OOo mailing list about Sun's handling of the "community" :-) I'm writing today about what