Don't Understand

2009-03-18 Thread Laurence Jeloudev
setting up the environment command this starts off with the command cat i typed it in and everything was frozen or destroyed after that it didnt respond at all please explain what setting up the enivironment does and creating a new bash profile is it neccessary to install the packages??? -

Re: Don't Understand

2009-03-18 Thread Philippe Delavalade
Le mercredi 18 mars à 09:16, Laurence Jeloudev a écrit : > setting up the environment command > > this starts off with the command cat > > i typed it in and everything was frozen or destroyed after that it > didnt respond at all When did it freeze ? What did you type at last ? Did you respect

Re: Best Version to Build?

2009-03-18 Thread Jeremy Henty
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:20:30PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Is 6.4 considered sufficiently "stable"? I just built 6.4 (on an LFS 6.3 host) without any problems, so it looks to be stable enough for me. I didn't use the "build alongside the existing system" hint though, I did the stan

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
Frank Peters wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:35:40 -0600 > Mike McCarty wrote: > >> ISTM that this is a philosophical problem which must be addressed. >> One way of addressing it would be to abandon "my machine, MY rules" >> as an absolute principle, and support, say RPM, or APT, or whatever, >>

Re: Best Version to Build?

2009-03-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:20:30PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > I started LFS 6.3, and got to the point where I was ready to make > it bootable, but got interrupted (several months ago). I'm now > ready to take the plunge again, and resume or restart building. > > So, I'm asking the development te

LFS 6.4 Book Errata Errata

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
I see that a couple of files wouldn't retrieve, and found the "errata". I note that the errata section contains, well not exactly an erratum, but perhaps an omission. The replacement URL ftp://ftp.lfs-matrix.net/pub/lfs/lfs-packages/development/glibc-2.8-20080929.tar.bz2 is actually a symbolic li

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread Frank Peters
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:50:01 -0600 Mike McCarty wrote: > > Ah, we disagree here. What I'm looking for is "my machine, > MY rules", not "I want to become an expert on all aspects > of Linux build and system maintenance". If I had a decent > source distro which actually gave me the control I want

Re: Best Version to Build?

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
Ken Moffat wrote: Thanks very much for the reply. > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:20:30PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: [...] >> So, I'm asking the development team which version is considered >> the best to use at the moment. Is 6.3 now considered "retired"? >> Is 6.4 considered sufficiently "stable

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:51:36AM -0400, Frank Peters wrote: > > The X Window developers have created a simple Bash script that > can be used to compile the two hundred or so individual packages > that make up the X system. The script just contains a list > (actually there are several categorize

Re: Best Version to Build?

2009-03-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:07:43AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > > Are you saying that the BLFS for 6.3 will run fine with 6.4? I'd think > so. Also, as you note, I really don't care about the L&G GUI stuff. > I do my maintenance using a CLI, anyway. I might want a later GIMP > and maybe EOG (mine

Re: verify build files for LFS

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
support wrote: > > I don't quite get what you are after, if you are downloading a file from > the authors site, and you also want an md5 from the same site to confirm > the download, its kind of pointless. If the site has been hacked and > the original source replaced with something else, it stan

Re: Best Version to Build?

2009-03-18 Thread genericmaillists
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 12:07:43 Mike McCarty wrote: > I got to learn about some dual boot > issues with Compaq computers (they go into "recovery" mode if the > MBR isn't as shipped, so I use the Windows Boot Manager in XP to > boot GRUB off of another partition) and also about XP recovery > alo

Re: verify build files for LFS

2009-03-18 Thread Chris Staub
Mike McCarty wrote: > > It would be nice to have a single file which listed all the md5 > (prefereably sha1) sums for all the files which could be used as > input for automated test. > > Mike Uh, you mean like this? - ftp://ftp.lfs-matrix.net/pub/lfs/lfs-packages/development/MD5SUMS Every dir

Re: verify build files for LFS

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
Chris Staub wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: >> It would be nice to have a single file which listed all the md5 >> (prefereably sha1) sums for all the files which could be used as >> input for automated test. >> >> Mike > > Uh, you mean like this? - > ftp://ftp.lfs-matrix.net/pub/lfs/lfs-packages/dev

Re: verify build files for LFS

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
Mike McCarty wrote: > support wrote: >> I don't quite get what you are after, if you are downloading a file from >> the authors site, and you also want an md5 from the same site to confirm >> the download, its kind of pointless. If the site has been hacked and >> the original source replaced with

Re: verify build files for LFS

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
Mike McCarty wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: >> support wrote: >>> I don't quite get what you are after, if you are downloading a file from >>> the authors site, and you also want an md5 from the same site to confirm >>> the download, its kind of pointless. If the site has been hacked and >>> the ori

Re: Best Version to Build?

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
genericmailli...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday 18 March 2009 12:07:43 Mike McCarty wrote: >> I got to learn about some dual boot >> issues with Compaq computers (they go into "recovery" mode if the >> MBR isn't as shipped, so I use the Windows Boot Manager in XP to >> boot GRUB off of another par

Re: Best Version to Build?

2009-03-18 Thread genericmaillists
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 15:38:23 Mike McCarty wrote: > genericmailli...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 March 2009 12:07:43 Mike McCarty wrote: > >> I got to learn about some dual boot > >> issues with Compaq computers (they go into "recovery" mode if > >> the MBR isn't as shipped, so I use

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Frank Peters wrote: > The problem, I strongly feel, is in the make program itself. > For some reason, the developers of the standard GNU build > sequence, that is "./configure, make, and make install," did > not choose to create an install log for the user after t

Re: GCC-4.3.2 - Pass 2 - expect -c "spawn ls"

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
SKOC(DOPOLE Tomᚠwrote: > Hello everybody, > > I have booted LFS live CD and now I am in the chapter 5.12. GCC-4.3.2 - Pass > 2. > I have some question about this command: > lfs:/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-4.3.2$ expect -c "spawn ls" > > I got this response: > spawn ls > but in the book is written t

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread genericmaillists
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 15:46:08 Tushar Teredesai wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Frank Peters wrote: > > The problem, I strongly feel, is in the make program itself. > > For some reason, the developers of the standard GNU build > > sequence, that is "./configure, make, and make ins

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread Frank Peters
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:46:08 -0500 Tushar Teredesai wrote: > > Because that goes against the Unix developer mentality. Providing an > "checkinstall" style functionality is not the purpose of make. > According to the man page: "The purpose of the make utility is to > determine automatically which

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread Mike McCarty
Frank Peters wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:46:08 -0500 > Tushar Teredesai wrote: > >> Because that goes against the Unix developer mentality. Providing an >> "checkinstall" style functionality is not the purpose of make. >> According to the man page: "The purpose of the make utility is to >> de

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread Frank Peters
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:01:47 -0600 Mike McCarty wrote: > > Often Makefiles don't do the install themselves, but > rather either us "cp" or "install" to put things where > they go, when one uses "make install". I don't like > the idea of making "make" have purposeful output to track > versions an

hald does not start on booting

2009-03-18 Thread Dr. Edgar Alwers
although hal starts withouth problems on two laptops , I cannot get hal to start on my main PC during the boot process. After booting, there is no problem. In order to avoid a known issue with hal delivering a "proc/mdstat: no such file or directory" message , I configured the kernel accordin

Re: verify build files for LFS

2009-03-18 Thread Chris Staub
Mike McCarty wrote: > Chris Staub wrote: >> Uh, you mean like this? - >> ftp://ftp.lfs-matrix.net/pub/lfs/lfs-packages/development/MD5SUMS >> >> Every dir in the LFS download ftp has an MD5SUMS file listing md5sums >> for all files in that dir. > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/s

Re: verify build files for LFS

2009-03-18 Thread Chris Staub
Mike McCarty wrote: > > Ok, gunzip thinks there is no error, but when I pulled that > file from > > ftp://ftp.lfs-matrix.net/pub/lfs/lfs-packages/6.4/inetutils-1.5.tar.gz > > it's different from the wget-list file's URL target > > http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/inetutils/inetutils-1.5.tar.gz > > So, w

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread Chris Staub
Mike McCarty wrote: > Frank Peters wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:46:08 -0500 >> Tushar Teredesai wrote: >> >>> Because that goes against the Unix developer mentality. Providing an >>> "checkinstall" style functionality is not the purpose of make. >>> According to the man page: "The purpose of t

Re: A Suggestion For A Simple Package Manager

2009-03-18 Thread DJ Lucas
Frank Peters wrote: > > Yes, that is correct. The install commands are specified > in the Makefiles for a package. If it would be possible > to redirect output from these commands to a text file, that > certainly would be a lot simpler than the approach taken > by package managers such as insta