Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-27 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Richard Melville wrote: > Running old computers is often touted as the "green" option. It's a fact > that the two most vulnerable components in such computers are the power > supply and the hard disk. Having had both of these components fail at > various times on oldish boxes I can only infer tha

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-27 Thread Richard Melville
Running old computers is often touted as the "green" option. It's a fact that the two most vulnerable components in such computers are the power supply and the hard disk. Having had both of these components fail at various times on oldish boxes I can only infer that those on this mailing list con

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-26 Thread Richard Melville
Simon Geard said:- > > Because an external DVD writer costs on average three times what an > internal one does, and offers roughly half the read and write speeds. It > also adds clutter to my desk, and adds to the mess of cabling down the > back of the desk, not to mention the inevitable bulky AC/

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-26 Thread Dominic Ringuet
Sorry, can't help but toss in my 2 cents. While my FD are unplugged and only used to stop dust from getting in (there is even a 5ΒΌ drive in a bay); I have a P100 16mb RAM laptop without any boot devices besides the floppy. It is running some dev LFS and xorg from last year, allowing me to ssh -X f

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-25 Thread Jan-Christoph Bornschlegel
Good morning, Am Mittwoch 25 November 2009 21:54:10 schrieb Mike McCarty: > Simon Geard wrote: > >[...], and I've honestly no idea where I could buy a new floppy disk > > these days... http://www.floppydisk.com/ SCNR :) > Well, you don't use my machines, and on my machines, my rules > hold. Whe

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > That works for you, but for most people, it's far easier to use a usb > thumb drive with capacities in GB to do the same thing. ISTM, this whole sub thread is plainly, and simply, OFF TOPIC. > > Some very old systems do not have usb connections, but many, if not > most,

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Simon Geard wrote: > On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 18:29 -0600, al...@verizon.net wrote: >> The last thing is to start a flame here; I still see a >> need for floppies on Linux due to the relatively small >> sizes of files in need to be quickly sneakered among >> machines. > > Is this a machine predating

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-25 Thread Richard Melville
Bruce Dubbs wrote:- > > That works for you, but for most people, it's far easier to use a usb > thumb drive with capacities in GB to do the same thing. > > Some very old systems do not have usb connections, but many, if not > most, newer systems do not have a floppy drive. Parallel printer > conn

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-25 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 20:29 -0600, al...@verizon.net wrote: > Speaking of USB, I do have my own slide off topic. > I've been wondering why people still prefer/use _internal_ > opticals when USB, modern, versatile, sophisticated > (like Blu-Ray) drives are so convenient, easy to share > (especially

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-24 Thread alupu
Hello Simon & Linux Fan, The thread started as a complaint about UDEV eliminating the only workaround, "last_rule", I could use to avoid the pollution of the /dev with a relatively large number of nonsensical floppy nodes (from my standpoint), which was followed by a pleading for help. It's taken

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-24 Thread linux fan
On 11/24/09, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I don't know where you live, but I've seen them given away as > promotions. Otherwise they are very common at $10 or less. Some day, I might get one. I don't care what udev does as long as it doesn't cause problems. I've got the 16 fd things in dev and was never

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-24 Thread Bruce Dubbs
linux fan wrote: > On 11/24/09, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> That works for you, but for most people, it's far easier to use a usb >> thumb drive with capacities in GB to do the same thing. >> > > I know that it is impossible to believe, but I have yet to purchase my > first usb thumb drive. I don't kno

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-24 Thread linux fan
On 11/24/09, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > That works for you, but for most people, it's far easier to use a usb > thumb drive with capacities in GB to do the same thing. > I know that it is impossible to believe, but I have yet to purchase my first usb thumb drive. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-24 Thread Bruce Dubbs
linux fan wrote: > On 11/24/09, Simon Geard wrote: >> On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 18:29 -0600, al...@verizon.net wrote: >>> The last thing is to start a flame here; I still see a >>> need for floppies on Linux > > Agree there is a need for floppies. > I just used a floppy to boot memtest86+ which foun

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-24 Thread linux fan
On 11/24/09, Simon Geard wrote: > On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 18:29 -0600, al...@verizon.net wrote: >> The last thing is to start a flame here; I still see a >> need for floppies on Linux Agree there is a need for floppies. I just used a floppy to boot memtest86+ which found a bad memory bank was bugg

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-24 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 18:29 -0600, al...@verizon.net wrote: > The last thing is to start a flame here; I still see a > need for floppies on Linux due to the relatively small > sizes of files in need to be quickly sneakered among > machines. Is this a machine predating USB? I can't imagine any oth

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-23 Thread alupu
Alex: >> In the past, I was able to avoid creation >> of unnecessary fd nodes. Mike McCarty: > In what sense unnecessary? > Do your floppy drives not support those modes? > There are tools which use the name of the device > to select their mode of operation, and > if you don't have a /dev node for

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-23 Thread Mike McCarty
al...@verizon.net wrote: [...] > which creates (in /dev) a number of krazy devices named, > > fd0u1120 fd0u1600 fd0u1722 fd0u1760 fd0u1920 > fd0u720 fd0u820 fd0u1040 fd0u1440 fd0u1680 > fd0u1743 fd0u1840 fd0u360 fd0u800 fd0u830 > > In the past, I was able to avoid this creation > of

Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-21 Thread Bruce Dubbs
al...@verizon.net wrote: > Hello, > > NOTE: I originally sent a draft copy by mistake. > Please disregard and accept my apologies > and this "cleaned-up" post. > > System: Development LFS > i686-pc-linux-gnu, 2.6.31.6, Udev-147 > > In files > /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules > /etc/u

UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-20 Thread alupu
Hello, NOTE: I originally sent a draft copy by mistake. Please disregard and accept my apologies and this "cleaned-up" post. System: Development LFS i686-pc-linux-gnu, 2.6.31.6, Udev-147 In files /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/55-lfs.rules there's a rule KERNEL=

UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone

2009-11-20 Thread alupu
Hello, System: Development LFS i686-pc-linux-gnu, 2.6.31.6, Udev-147 In files /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/55-lfs.rules there's a rule KERNEL=="fd[0-9]", ACTION=="add|change", \ ATTRS{cmos}=="?*", RUN+="create_floppy_devices" etc. which creates (in