Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread DJ Lucas
Alan Lord wrote: > > Oh I see. I never intended my post to suggest subsequent copying of > files that way. Sorry if I badly worded the OP. > > The way I have used it [DESTDIR] is purely to allow easy inspection of > the files the install process creates. If I am happy with what it does, > the

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DESTDIR is not used so very often outside the software written by the more responsible people, like folks at FSF (who write most of GNU software). I am specifically referring to the myriad of software packages which you, as a LFS user will be compiling to run in userspace after you are done with t

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread Alan Lord
DJ Lucas wrote: > /usr/share/info/dir is most common, until you get past X, and get into > gconf, desktop file utils, etc. But yes, make install *can* and does > modify existing files. Simply copying from the DESTDIR to the final > destination will result in a broken system (though it's proba

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread DJ Lucas
Simon Geard wrote: > On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 09:24 +, Alan Lord wrote: >> That's interesting. Do you mean that DESTDIR actually affects the >> contents of some files when you run "make DESTDIR=/my_path install"? >> >> I always assumed, perhaps wrongly, that it merely changed the >> destination

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 09:24 +, Alan Lord wrote: > That's interesting. Do you mean that DESTDIR actually affects the > contents of some files when you run "make DESTDIR=/my_path install"? > > I always assumed, perhaps wrongly, that it merely changed the > destination path for the "root" of th

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread Alan Lord
DJ Lucas wrote: > The disadvantage is that if you move from the DESTDIR, you have to be > aware of things like the info dir, gconf updates, .desktop or icon > additions, etc. Pretty much any update to an existing file will have to > recreated manually. In the end, this is probably much better

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread DJ Lucas
Alan Lord wrote: > Alexander Haley wrote: > >> Basically, the fundamental thing that bugs me is ... I type 'make >> install' and scads of files arrive on the file system ... and I really >> don't quite know their role, purpose or importance ... Do I really >> need to know the purpose of each and e

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread DJ Lucas
Alexander Haley wrote: > > Basically, the fundamental thing that bugs me is ... I type 'make > install' and scads of files arrive on the file system ... and I really > don't quite know their role, purpose or importance ... Do I really > need to know the purpose of each and every library file that

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-19 Thread Alan Lord
Alexander Haley wrote: > Basically, the fundamental thing that bugs me is ... I type 'make > install' and scads of files arrive on the file system ... and I really > don't quite know their role, purpose or importance ... Do I really > need to know the purpose of each and every library file that is

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-18 Thread Stealth
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 12:46:20 pm Alexander Haley wrote: > Thanks for the responses - I'm still chewing on them to see what > I understand or misunderstand. The bigger context of my questions > was: > > "So, I'm doing LFS for the second time .. and this time I > thought 'GNU Stow, awesome!

RE: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-18 Thread Spahn, Daniel
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike McCarty Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:35 PM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Question @ 10,000 feet Alexander Haley wrote: [...] > What is to stop me from telling glibc to install itself i

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-18 Thread Mike McCarty
Alexander Haley wrote: [...] > What is to stop me from telling glibc to install itself into > /usr/weird/path/foo and gcc into /bar/zap/ .. and then somehow > configuring them to understand their relationship? Is that even > feasible? Would doing this somehow create a deeper understanding (for >

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-18 Thread Alexander Haley
Thanks for the responses - I'm still chewing on them to see what I understand or misunderstand. The bigger context of my questions was: "So, I'm doing LFS for the second time .. and this time I thought 'GNU Stow, awesome! I'll make it sit up and do tricks for me' ... however during Chapter 6 ..

Re: Question @ 10,000 feet

2008-11-18 Thread Simon Geard
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 15:47 -0500, Alexander Haley wrote: > So .. when I say, "Run hello world", enter binutils. Binutils > understand that common functionality is often packaged into shared > objects (.so) - aka libraries. Bin utils uses a dynamic linker .. to > ask itself "Hrrm .. they're running