Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-13 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > After some thought, I still can't come with a complete, correct and > meaningful > paragraph. The problem is that, while the statements about achievable sizes > are > true, it is technically incorrect to show them as advantages of LFS. In fact, > binary distros

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
I wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Some newbies get caught by our advertisement (which might be true for >>> older versions of LFS, but is untested as of LFS-6.3): >>> It is not difficult to build an LFS system of less than 100 megabytes (MB

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-13 Thread J. Greenlees
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >> >> ~snip~ >>> 3) When package management enters the book, include a procedure for >>> building >>> packages for a lower CPU (basically, import config.site from the LiveCD and >>> adjust toolchain and p

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Some newbies get caught by our advertisement (which might be true for older >> versions of LFS, but is untested as of LFS-6.3): >> >>> It is not difficult to build an LFS system of less than 100 megabytes (MB), >>> which is substant

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > Hello, > > Some newbies get caught by our advertisement (which might be true for older > versions of LFS, but is untested as of LFS-6.3): > >> It is not difficult to build an LFS system of less than 100 megabytes (MB), >> which is substantially smaller than the maj

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread Chris Staub
Joe wrote: > If someone can build LFS in 8-12 hours, > perfectly and in a single session the very first time, it seems to me > that either they're already experts or very lucky and haven't learned > much from the experience. > > Joe Sounds just like the first time I built LFS - of course, I fa

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >> No, learning must be gradual, the reader must see a trouble-free >> book first and _then_ experiment. >> > Learning is gradual, but is almost never trouble-free. A child learning > to walk stumbles countless times before achieving balance and poise. I > have stumb

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread Joe
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > No, learning must be gradual, the reader must see a trouble-free > book first and _then_ experiment. > Learning is gradual, but is almost never trouble-free. A child learning to walk stumbles countless times before achieving balance and poise. I have stumbled qu

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread J. Greenlees
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > J. Greenlees wrote: > >> and this is done manually typing in, or copy and paste of the build >> commands? >> or is it scripted to remove the manual input [ slow point ] requirement? >> > > It is completely scripted, see the LiveCD SVN repository. I can't affor

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
J. Greenlees wrote: > and this is done manually typing in, or copy and paste of the build > commands? > or is it scripted to remove the manual input [ slow point ] requirement? It is completely scripted, see the LiveCD SVN repository. I can't afford any uncertainty due to typos for official LiveC

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread J. Greenlees
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > J. Greenlees wrote: > >> 8 hour build time? unless using the build scripts I don't think it's >> possible without brand spanking new hardware with massive amounts of ram. >> > > ums.usu.ru (before it died in November, 2007 due to voltage spike): Pentium > IV

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
J. Greenlees wrote: > 8 hour build time? unless using the build scripts I don't think it's > possible without brand spanking new hardware with massive amounts of ram. ums.usu.ru (before it died in November, 2007 due to voltage spike): Pentium IV 2.4 GHz (without hyperthreading), Intel S845WD1-E s

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread J. Greenlees
> I agree for "586-class computers with only 16 MB" would give bad result if > any. > I have build IPCop in the past on a 586-class laptop with 160 MB memory in > approximatly three days. > well, an i586 with 128 mb ram and a total hd space of 3 GB took 3 days just for pass1 of chapter 5 with a

Re: LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread Gilles Espinasse
- Original Message - From: "Alexander E. Patrakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LFS Developers Mailinglist" Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: LFS size and hardware requirements > Hello, > > Some newbies get caught by our advertise

LFS size and hardware requirements

2008-04-12 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Hello, Some newbies get caught by our advertisement (which might be true for older versions of LFS, but is untested as of LFS-6.3): > It is not difficult to build an LFS system of less than 100 megabytes (MB), > which is substantially smaller than the majority of existing installations. > Does t