Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-09 Thread Ragnar Thomsen
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I think most systems are used by a single user. There are exceptions, > of course, but a Ubuntu or Gentoo or Debian system is generally used by > one user. Does this feature really provide a benefit to the single user > system? > > Servers tha

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > Hi, > > Just to know: where is it better to propose hints? It seems this here > was uploaded (great!), whereas this I suggested on hints mailing list is > not and without any comment. Did I misunderstand some steps? We don't have as many developers as we used to have

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-08 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Hi, Just to know: where is it better to propose hints? It seems this here was uploaded (great!), whereas this I suggested on hints mailing list is not and without any comment. Did I misunderstand some steps? Thanks, Best regards, - Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Président de l'associatio

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ragnar Thomsen wrote: > On Monday 08 October 2012 12:28:31 Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Interesting. Other than allowing systemd to run, what benefits does >> using cgroups give? > >>From Wikipedia: > cgroups (control groups) is a Linux kernel feature to limit, account and > isolate resource usage (CPU,

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-08 Thread Ragnar Thomsen
On Monday 08 October 2012 12:28:31 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Interesting. Other than allowing systemd to run, what benefits does > using cgroups give? >From Wikipedia: cgroups (control groups) is a Linux kernel feature to limit, account and isolate resource usage (CPU, memory, disk I/O, etc.) of proc

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ragnar Thomsen wrote: > On Tuesday 02 October 2012 10:51:32 Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Did you ever run 'mount' from the command line? > > I configured the kernel without any of the cgroup controllers and now only one > cgroup (the systemd cgroup) shows up when issuing the mount command. > > My kernel c

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-08 Thread Ragnar Thomsen
On Tuesday 02 October 2012 10:51:32 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Did you ever run 'mount' from the command line? I configured the kernel without any of the cgroup controllers and now only one cgroup (the systemd cgroup) shows up when issuing the mount command. My kernel config: CONFIG_CGROUPS=y # CONFIG

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-04 Thread Chris W .
Bruce Dubbs gmail.com> writes: > Chris W. wrote: > > Systemd > > has matured quite a bit since last year and more distributions are > > using it, among them Arch Linux. > > OTOH, Gentoo is creating a udev fork. I agree, that it should not be necessary to install all of systemd just to use udev.

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-03 Thread wagnerlia-li...@yahoo.com
> From: Bruce Dubbs >>> Do you have any data?  How fast can you get from grub to the login >> LFS 7.2 from grub to login prompt and back with 2.4 Ghz (dual) >> Core i5 on the notebook running in Parallels 8, no SSD: >> >>   SysVinit: 15 sec. bootup, 14 sec. shutdown >>   Systemd : 4.5 sec

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
wagnerlia-li...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> Bootup and shutdown times are considerably faster than >>> with SysVinit. >> >> Do you have any data? How fast can you get from grub to the login >> prompt using systemd? sysvinit? What hardware are you using? > > LFS 7.2 from grub to login prompt and back w

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-03 Thread wagnerlia-li...@yahoo.com
Bruce Dubbs gmail.com> writes: > Slightly reformatted, it would be very nice as a hint. Thanks Bruce for your encouraging comments and for uploading the hint. > Chris W. wrote: > > Systemd > > has matured quite a bit since last year and more distributions are > > using it, among them Arch Li

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-03 Thread Chris W .
Matthew Burgess linuxfromscratch.org> writes: > That's a really well written document! I think it should be submitted > as a hint > prior to any potential inclusion in BLFS (I'm not confident it will > ever make it > into LFS due to its dependencies, but you never know!). > Thanks Matt for y

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Chris W. wrote: > Hello, > > I wanted to better understand the inner workings of systemd. Just having > finished a LFS install on a test server, I thought LFS 7.2 might be a > good basis for this. My goal was to eventually replace SysVinit > completely with systemd. I fully expected lots of things

Re: [lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-02 Thread Matthew Burgess
On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 14:14:26 + (UTC), Chris W. wrote: > Hello, > > I wanted to better understand the inner workings of systemd. Just having > finished a LFS install on a test server, I thought LFS 7.2 might be a > good basis for this. > > I hope you'll find this guide helpful and would we

[lfs-dev] How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-02 Thread Chris W .
Hello, I wanted to better understand the inner workings of systemd. Just having finished a LFS install on a test server, I thought LFS 7.2 might be a good basis for this. My goal was to eventually replace SysVinit completely with systemd. I fully expected lots of things to break, but was pleasantl