Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
On 5/20/12 7:09 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: [snip - a number of good, thoughtful questions] I'm going to have to let your questions brew for a while before I can reply to them. Perhaps someone else will have an opinion regarding them in the meantime... JH -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/li

Re: [lfs-dev] Vim 7.3.xxx

2012-05-20 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Fernando de Oliveira wrote: >> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/downloads/vim/vim-7.3-fixes-524.patch >> >> >> >> Apply with: >> >> patch -Np1 -i ../vim-7.3-fixes-524.patch >> >> and then build normally. > Just did it. Thank you very much, Bruce. How fast! > > Couple of observations: >

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
On 5/20/12 5:34 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > OK, then what's wrong with a tarball of binaries that we have created > for this purpose? There could be a tarball of the base LFS system and > then additional tarballs for certain packages or groups (e.g. xorg) of > packages. This method does not collect

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Baho Utot
On 05/20/2012 07:09 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: [putolin] > The more I think about this, the less happy I am. Point 2 doesn't > really help editing BLFS as far as I can see (upgrading a package > usually needs several builds - typically, for me, a first to see if > it actually works when I use it, t

Re: [lfs-dev] Vim 7.3.xxx

2012-05-20 Thread Fernando de Oliveira
On 20-05-2012 15:41, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Fernando de Oliveira wrote: >>> I am posting this to two lists because Vim is common to both. Of >> course, discussion and opinions, if any, could be different in each one. >>> >>> While some softwares are rushing new versions even wee

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 09:26:31AM -0400, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > > Proposal: > > 1. Adjust LFS/BLFS to auto-generate build recipes for individual > packages that a packaging tool can use to create binary packages with > meta information included such as dependency tracking. > > 2. Store 'off

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Qrux
On May 20, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > On 5/20/12 3:10 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> This exact reason, for the record, is why I really dislike binary >>> distros. I *never* choose the same set of dependencies that are >>> optional in the source, as the distro does. And because when

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 04:34:11PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > > > > I think perhaps the point is being missed here. The purpose of the > > proposal (creating and providing binaries) isn't for the _reader's_ use, > > (if someone found them and wanted to use them that's t

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > On 5/20/12 3:10 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> This exact reason, for the record, is why I really dislike binary >>> distros. I *never* choose the same set of dependencies that are >>> optional in the source, as the distro does. And because when they ran >>> ./configure, they

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
On 5/20/12 2:18 PM, Bryan Kadzban wrote: > In other words, I think it'd help to only use packages to simplify > (mostly BLFS) testing, but make them semi-public for people who really > want them. Don't use them at all in the actual build instructions (what > would be the point? :-) ), but generat

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
On 5/20/12 3:10 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> This exact reason, for the record, is why I really dislike binary >> distros. I *never* choose the same set of dependencies that are >> optional in the source, as the distro does. And because when they ran >> ./configure, they added a --with-foo flag, the

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > FWIW... > > DJ Lucas wrote: >> Fortunately, that is not a deal breaker for me if the >> readers get the same treatment (which seems to be the case), but this >> does hard code optional dependencies for the pre-packaged installations. >> This is both good and bad. From a d

Re: [lfs-dev] Vim 7.3.xxx

2012-05-20 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Fernando de Oliveira wrote: >> I am posting this to two lists because Vim is common to both. Of > course, discussion and opinions, if any, could be different in each one. >> >> While some softwares are rushing new versions even weekly, others > stick to a "main" one and leave t

Re: [lfs-dev] Once more: Package Management

2012-05-20 Thread Bryan Kadzban
FWIW... DJ Lucas wrote: > Fortunately, that is not a deal breaker for me if the > readers get the same treatment (which seems to be the case), but this > does hard code optional dependencies for the pre-packaged installations. > This is both good and bad. From a development standpoint, it won't

Re: [lfs-dev] Vim 7.3.xxx

2012-05-20 Thread Fernando de Oliveira
Thanks for the replies, Bruce and Ken. On 19-05-2012 13:44, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Fernando de Oliveira wrote: >> I am posting this to two lists because Vim is common to both. Of > course, discussion and opinions, if any, could be different in each > one. >> >> While some softwares are rushing new