Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: > You mean from the moment GRUB (or whatever) starts running to the login > prompt of some sort right? I really don't have any control over the 3-4 seconds used for BIOS initialization after the power on switch, so no, I didn't count that. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfr

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:54:05 -0600 >Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Do we need systemd, a complex compiled system, to boot? My LFS boots > in 8 seconds now. Is that too long? You mean from the moment GRUB (or whatever) starts running to the login prompt of some sort right? (Man writes a long mail in wh

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Bruce Dubbs
I do not want to roll back 40 years of progress. Actually, I was thinking about this last night. I started programming 47 years ago. My first system was one where I learned to punch binary on an 80 column card. The mass storage device was a card punch. We learned how to use a card sorter.

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Baho Utot
On Monday 30 January 2012 07:40:11 pm Gerard Beekmans wrote: > > Just don't fall into change for the sake of change. > > Good point. > > > Lookup the bumblebee fiasco on google, > > The bumble devs had a line rm -rf /usr /lib in a install > > script so you installed the app and your /usr was gon

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Gerard Beekmans
> Just don't fall into change for the sake of change. > Good point. > > Lookup the bumblebee fiasco on google, > The bumble devs had a line rm -rf /usr /lib in a install script > so you installed the app and your /usr was gone. > > Do you really want everything in /usr? > A typo is a typo. Say

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Baho Utot
On Monday 30 January 2012 06:26:52 pm Gerard Beekmans wrote: > > I think this concept is one of all/most the old farts are moving on...to > > be taken over by the youngens who are now thinking that they are the > > masters when thye haven't a clue for history. > > > > I will take the ways of unix

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Gerard Beekmans
> I think this concept is one of all/most the old farts are moving on...to be > taken over by the youngens who are now thinking that they are the masters > when thye haven't a clue for history. > > I will take the ways of unix from the 70's, It is that way for many _good_ > reasons. Yes, you're

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Baho Utot wrote: > The only thing that I would like see "added" to LFS is lvm/raid/encrypted > root systems and maybe KVM. I think everything is the more or less covered. LVM has been in BLFS for about 10 days and KVM went in last night. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/li

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Baho Utot
On Monday 30 January 2012 12:35:54 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Baho Utot wrote: > > On Sunday 29 January 2012 10:46:19 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Sigh. > >> > >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0OTY > >> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge > >>

[lfs-dev] Server migration

2012-01-30 Thread Gerard Beekmans
Hi guys, Just a head's up that we're moving forward with the LFS server migration. Current hardware is getting old and I'm taking pro-active action to change to a newer server while we have the luxury of time before hardware failures. The server will also be moved to a data centre in the US th

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Baho Utot wrote: > > On Sunday 29 January 2012 10:46:19 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Sigh. >> >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0OTY >> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge >> >>-- Bruce > > I believe LFS is now working in this direction???

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:46:19 -0600 >Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Sigh. > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0OTY > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge > >-- Bruce I have to say I find this hilarious. As I was reading the freedesktop page,

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-8.0

2012-01-30 Thread Baho Utot
On Sunday 29 January 2012 10:46:19 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Sigh. > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0OTY > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge > >-- Bruce I believe LFS is now working in this direction Myth #8: The /usr merge wi