Rival bidders race against time to submit Leeds offers
Kaveh Solhekol
Ken Bates has a fight on his hands to regain control of Leeds United after
the sale of the club was opened up to the highest bidder. KPMG, the club's
administrator, contacted a list of preferred bidders - including the
Leeds-b
John - didn't the club make a statement t'other day on the ST money...
from the Times..
"A group of supporters turned up at Elland Road yesterday morning seeking
reassurances that their season tickets would be safeguarded. "The club can
confirm that season-ticket receipts are being kept in a se
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Subject:Re: [LU] Leeds United FC
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:34:38 -0700
From: John Sykes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mark Humphries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This email is coming to you from w
>
> If someone posts up a suitable FL email address we could all write...
>
Cos you can't be bothered to use Google?
"Something must be done to save our club, will somebody do it for me?"
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Mark H spluttered
>
> I don't have any official or officious contacts with anybody
> in the FL,
> including lawyers, nor do I have any contact with prospective
> owners of the
> club, in whose interest that statement might also be.
>
> You do, do you not?
Ever heard of Google?
http://www.foot
>
> >
> > In other words I'm not saying anyone HAS to do the leg
> work, but I am
> > saying
> > that if you want to understand what is going on then you
> really ought
> > to do
> > the leg work yourself and not expect others to do it for you.
>
> But we aren't at school/uni, we don't want to
That's ok Graham, I shan't make the same mistake again.
When I read an obviously misguided posting from someone too lazy to do any
research I will as you suggest keep schtum.
I won't in the future attempt to direct the poor misguided soul in the right
direction and shall let him continue to believe
>
> I, like many shat upon Leeds United supporters, do not trust
> the FL to do
> the 'right thing' by us one iota.
And yet you believe Ken Bates will?
Says it all really
Paul
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As I understand it:
KPMG have bought back the club for £1
They have asked for bids to buy the club and will sell it on the basis
that they can't guarantee membership of the football league. Bids in by
5pm Monday proof of funds by 5pm Tuesday. Will Bates have to provide
proof of funds? Pound
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> it is for this club to survive
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Sirs,
I am a lifelong Leeds United supporter and, as I am sure you can appreciate,
instead of looking forward to next season I am worrying about the club's
very existence.
The ongoing legal wrangling is causing extreme anxiety for me and amongst my
fellow supporters, but key to this for us
Sir,
Since the age of four I have supported Leeds United
I saw John Charles's first game. I have been blessed by seeing all the great
names in English Soccer since the last world war play at Elland Road.
All my Children and Grandchildren left hospital, at their birth in the Leeds
United kit.
We are
Original Message
Subject: PLEASE READ AND ACT
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:11:29 +0100
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To: Hotmail Account <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dear All
Unless you hate Leeds United to the point that you would like to see them
extinct (just think no more mi
100% correct Mark
Mark Humphries wrote:
> 1. Because it circumvents the legal process/appeal
>
> 2. Because KPMG choose the best deal for everyone and that's it. There is no
> CVA to approve
>
> 3. Don't think so, what could they legally challenge?
>
> 4. Don't think they can, although they cou
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>> >> Confirmed on Sky Sports and Talksport apparently
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>> >
>> > Yup! Good news at last.
>> >
>> > I hope.
>> >
>> > - Sean
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Sorry but it looks like the moment has passed. Bigger stories.
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> I'm going to try to clarify a few things, if they let me. Maybe in 20 mins
> or so.
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According to
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/latest-national-sport?articleid=3012785 the
deadline for offers is 5pm on Monday.
- A spokesman for the administrators said: "We are putting the club up for
sale and offers must be in by 5pm on Monday and we are interested in talking
to other parties. Th
The best deal for the creditors and Leeds Utd afaik.
Although the latter is more an ongoing existence rather than promises of
promotion I suspect.
I could be wrong though, waiting for Nigel to tell us..
From: Dr Michael Benjamin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 July 2007 21:39
To: Ma
So why not do that first of all?
Does the highest bedder get LUFC?
Where does the money go?
Are the administrators there to ensure that Leeds United pays its debts or
the best care is given to Leeds United and bugger the creditors?
I am really confused now?
Sorry
Michael
On 06/07/07, Mark Humphrie
Confused, moi?
Where does the 1 pound come in, is that normal practice? Have they then
already done this so now the club is no longer aligned to Bates? How much needs
to be paid by any prospective owner...35mill, 8 mill...whoever pays the most?
I guess i should research this first
Nick
-
Ps. I am just a frustrated fan like you. I have no affiliations, no agenda,
no vested interest and most importantly no desire to see our club shafted.
I would have thought that much was clear but obviously not.
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I'm going to try to clarify a few things, if they let me. Maybe in 20 mins
or so.
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Im sure Nigel will correct me but..
KPMG buy the club for £1, it is now theirs.
The ask for bids to buy the club, primarily a provision to pay off the
creditors but also KPMG need to consider the ongoing future of the club.
They sell to the highest/best bidder. No creditor vote, no approval, no
What you talking about willis?
I have also written to the FL and my MP.
Apology accepted.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:leedslist-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sykes
> Sent: 06 July 2007 19:09
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] LU - Disgusted
>
> You all
But the crucial point is that the FL can allow a club to 'trade' in
"exceptional circumstances", but apparently they do not see our position as
"exceptional".
We need to be able to sign players and get a team out to start the season,
whatever happens on the ownership front is destined to be caught
I do not think that Bates spin comes into it now - we are in a f**king
desperate situation and it is touch and go whether we survive in my view - I
have loved this club since I was a child - we must do something on the
action front.
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From: "Paul Dally" <[EMAIL PROTEC
Hi
What does all this mean?
That we still owe 35 million?
Or does the new buyer pay a penny in the pound apart from a preferred few?
Who are they?
Is there a bidding war? where does the money go?
More to the point can KFC block it?
In fact what has changed?
Over to you Betty
I hope Paul does not ge
Why don't we show what a huge asset it would be for any investor by
organising a mass turn up/ demonstration of fans ( not for a match)at ER in
the very near future?
Surely we should do something now rather than sit back and let us go gently
into that good night ( to nick a quote from Dylan Th
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From: "Tim Geldard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: [LU] KPMG : Up for Sale
> Confirmed on Sky Sports and Talksport apparently
>
Yup! Good news at last.
I hope.
- Sean
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If it does all go pear shaped which seems likely to me, I think that these
mps should be remebered and a widespread vote from Leeds fans to oust them
should follow.
It is vitally important for a city like Leeds to have a football team.
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From: "Mark Humphries" <[EM
is that true?
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Two months ago (before we went into Administration) I posted the relevant
extract from the FL rules... (see below)
So just asking an MP to apply pressure to the FL is a non-starter. Leeds
membership of the FL is currently suspended and cannot be released until the
membership conditions are met.
U
Confirmed on Sky Sports and Talksport apparently
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You all may be more than frustratedand I can understand why.but
in all this bluster I've read over recent days, Humphries has yet to
come up with any suggestionsonly dumping crap on others. John
Boocock's letter to the FL and his MP is an illustration of what can be
done in a posit
check out http://www.chairmanschoice.co.uk/ to see a selection of financial
information provided by Ken Bates over the past year or so, mostly from the
matchday programmes.
I was particularly interested in the following snip from 23rd September
2006:
--- snip
At 30th September our old debt will
Mark,
I'm tempted to cry "recognition, at last;" however, given the source of the
comparison I'll contain myself, for the moment..
As for explanation, many have tried, both with and without the 'hard
evidence" you demand, (yet never volunteer) neither version of which you
ever seem to accept.
So
My letter to my MP, John Thurso
Original Message
Subject: Leeds United
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:05:37 +0100
From: John Boocock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear John
I recently wrote to you regarding the situation at Leeds United.
Things have now moved on and I a
Mark Humphries wrote:
=
> I have written to my MP now.
Well done Mark. The most important thing I think we can do is to put
pressure on the Football League to get their finger out and to point out
to our MPs that we would like them to assist in this. It's the FL's
baby and
FFS Seb you should not be surprised that your "posting" elicited no Reponses
at all, except for the MOTL who pointed you in the direct of a 3 year old
article.
Do you really expect us to descend into informed, reasoned argument? I
think you will find that many people on the list much prefer to
Come on then genius, YOU tell us.
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> Sent: 06 July 2007 16:43
> To: 'leedslist'
> Subject: Re: [LU] MPs
>
>
> None so blind eh?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PRO
None so blind eh?
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Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:23 AM
To: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] MPs
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> We've moved on from that 'debate'. FL are enemy #1 at the moment!
Oh my god. H
Well fucking tell us then. All we have heard in the last day or so is how
FL have it in their power to allow us to buy and sell players, but they
didn't deem our situation as 'exceptional' so weren't going to allow us to
sell players (or play in the league for that matter.
Now it is Ken Bates fau
Ffs rick, you posted to the list asking us not to alienate people we might
be writing to, presumably the mps.
Now you aren't going to tell us what is going on with LUST & the MPs.
So, in the absence of such info we should all get back to writing to our mps
demanding they do something.
I didn't
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> We've moved on from that 'debate'. FL are enemy #1 at the moment!
Oh my god. How wrong can one person be ?
You will put us in the Fourth division with this nonsense.
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> Whats the focus? The football league?
Let's not go around this circle all over again. When you can have the
complete information in clear and precise terms that you demand (IF we reach
such a point) then it will be possible to answer. Until then I'll follow
your
We've moved on from that 'debate'. FL are enemy #1 at the moment!
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:leedslist-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nigel Holcroft
> Sent: 06 July 2007 16:06
> To: 'leedslist'
> Subject: Re: [LU] MPs
>
> Absolutely they should and most lik
Whats the focus? The football league?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:leedslist-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RickD
> Sent: 06 July 2007 15:56
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> Subject: Re: [LU] MPs
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> - Original Message -
> > Anyhow, it is their duty to represent the
Absolutely they should and most likely will in response to the requests of
constituents; however if there is any badgering and finger pointing to be
done, I suggest you save that for the person whose deliberate and willful
and underhand actions got us into this mess.. unless of course you'd rather
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> Anyhow, it is their duty to represent their constituents and therefore
> they
> should be equally as keen to take up this cause no?
It is the same cause. It hasn't changed. The Trust is already in DIRECT
contact following the court direction today.
I have written to my MP now.
If the actions of HMRC were not affected by the intervention of the MP3 then
why did they bother getting involved to begin with?
Anyhow, it is their duty to represent their constituents and therefore they
should be equally as keen to take up this cause no?
Before everyone races ahead with this there are a couple of things to bear
in mind. The first is that the fans need to call on help from all sorts of
directions so let's not alienate anyone.
Secondly, and most importantly, the MP3 that many have been attacking did
not provide HMRC with, or bring
Before everyone races ahead with this there are a couple of things to bear
in mind. The first is that the fans need to call on help from all sorts of
directions so let's not alienate anyone.
Secondly, and most importantly, the MP3 that many have been attacking did
not provide HMRC with, or bring
Not sure who all your MPs may be, but start here
http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/alcm.cfm
Mark Humphries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Perhaps we should all be badgering our MPs about this too - seeing as they
were so keen to get involved at the beginning.
Anyone have their em
Has anyone peaked in at Thorpe Arch? Who is actually training this week and
what players make up our "squad"?
Mark
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Betty, aren't you also part of a general supporter's list? I know we get
sent petitions/requests via yourself for other clubs (Brighton springs to
mind).
If so, any chance of posting a request to that list asking non Leeds
supporters to mail FL and request they pull their finger out?
Cheers
Mar
Perhaps we should all be badgering our MPs about this too - seeing as they
were so keen to get involved at the beginning.
Anyone have their email addresses to hand to post to the list?
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I guess that 99% of the readers are howling with laughter!
ttfn
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COUNCIL SERIOUSLY CONCERNED BY PARLOUS PLIGHT OF LEEDS UNITED
Leeds City Council has very real concerns regarding recent developments
affecting Leeds United which render it by no means impossible that
high-level professional league football will cease to be played in Leeds in
the v
Well I've written...
Come on you Gobby Gits, get on the FL's back now, apparently they don't
like it up 'em :-)
Betty
(Chief Gobby Git)
Original Message
Subject: Leeds United
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:24:19 +0100
From: John Boocock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTEC
If someone posts up a suitable FL email address we could all write...
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> Hi ga
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N If wrote:
> Hi gang
Hi gang
Me, only know what I read on this list.
Didn't contact my MP (nor Sheikh).
But, I would like to contact the Football League.
"I'm merely a fan, please let my team play, let them have a temporary share
of gold"
I'm afraid I think it will be easier to ask here than do my own research
oth
Less of the red sir!
On 6 Jul 2007, at 13:43, John Boocock wrote:
> Fans Chief?
>
> does that make us red indians?
>
> argh red
>
> Betty
>
> RickD wrote:
> =
>> LEEDS UNITED fans' chief Rick Duniec
>
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This article sums up how it all started
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1160988,00.html
and
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1164722,00.html
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Fans Chief?
does that make us red indians?
argh red
Betty
RickD wrote:
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> LEEDS UNITED fans' chief Rick Duniec
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Hi
Just what does all this mean
To me it looks awful.
But I am one of Paul's uneducated. I hope Betty will put it into
perspective.
Pissed off--- but completely--- Here I was thinking that I'll come and see
third division crap just to be part of those who were there at the darkest
hour. Bight your
Before you read this please note that I am not claiming or pretending to be
a fans chief. Sorry about that but I didn't write it.
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leeds-united-news?articleid=3011597
Leeds United fans send SOS
By Phil Rostron
LEEDS UNITED fans' chief Rick Duniec today pleade
All you were asked to do was to do something yourself. Even that was your
own idea in the first place but you won't even make a phone call.
I never said anything about what the Trust would and would not do.
I didn't jump when you said jump. That's all.
No further comment required. Too busy right n
Krasner reckons that there are grounds for optimism now at leeds. he
believes KPMG may well buy back the club for £1 then open discussions with
interested parties, including Bates, but also a "super" bid, bringing
together 2 of the previously known bidders.
Reckons should all be sorted within 2 w
Leeds United: season in jeopardy
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news?articleid=3011456
Season in doubt.
By Phil Hay and Tony Gardner
Leeds United's new season is in serious doubt today after Ken Bates
failed to head off a legal challenge at the city's High Court
An appeal by Her Majesty's
Mark Humphries wrote:
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> My spider-sense is tingling like fuck..
Posting of the week :-)
Betty
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I believe that this is what the court was trying to engineer..
Basically saying "Oi you lot, get out of here and don't come back until
you've sorted it" Mr Justice Patten recently appeared a s aKray Twin in
East Enders BTW :-)
Betty
Richard Naef wrote:
> Krasner reckons that there are grou
And despite murmurings to the effect this all has a precedent, to me it
looks like all this is rather unprecedented - a Mexican stand off between
Bates, HMRC and the football league.
In the meantime Redbus are investing heavily in pine boxes and Morris in 6"
nails.
My spider-sense is tingling lik
Is your response the official LUST response?
LUST are unwilling to question the FL on the issue of team building in
preparation for the forthcoming season, golden fleece or no golden fleece?
If so LUST can fuck off, what we need is a Jason on the List.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAI
Let's see if I've got this straight. Flushed with the success and promise of
DOL's "babies", Pete decided to cement our position at or near the apex of
European football by splashing tens of millions of pounds on transfers and
allowing the wage bill to explode in the hope that revenues would shortl
Bryn Law on SSN descibes it as game of poker between Inland Rev and FL with
neither looking to budge an inch.
Won't let us start season unless we can convince FL that we dcan complete it.
KMPG - very worried about future of Leeds Utd.
Say Bates may now pull out of financing club while court
So you have a blank canvas with total upside potential. A world of
opportunity.
You have to start somewhere. Please let us know how you get on. Your ability
to be officious is well proven. We all began in the same position as you are
now.
gotta go. Breaking news re Court hearing
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The FL have given the club until August 1st to show how it will be
funded after that date
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The Court has decided on a hearing on 3rd September and has set aside 5
days for the hearing. The FL cannot hand over the "golden share" so it
is now up to them as to how they deal with Leeds United's league membership
I don't know if the CVA was suspended or set aside. What I believe is
that
I don't have any official or officious contacts with anybody in the FL,
including lawyers, nor do I have any contact with prospective owners of the
club, in whose interest that statement might also be.
You do, do you not?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:leedslist-
>
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> There you go. Thats what I was getting at. I do not understand why the
> FL
> would NOT make that statement, but if not then surely it is time for
> someone
> like LUST to officially ask the question and not leave it in the hands of
> the bunch of wankers that is
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I think you missed my smiley. In the absence of hard information about our
anonymous benefactors I can only speculate and have this gnawing feeling
that a number of our so-called investments aren't quite the full shilling.
Common sense dictates that there must be a link between Colonel Sander
>
> The real issue is that the FL has conyionuously failed to make this
> clear to the general public in spite of the suggestion by others that
> this is not the case.
>
> Betty
There you go. Thats what I was getting at. I do not understand why the FL
would NOT make that statement, but if not
Who is Spherical? And to what does he object?
(I'm in the market to buy a new coat :-) )
Steve
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>
> In other words I'm not saying anyone HAS to do the leg work, but I am
> saying
> that if you want to understand what is going on then you really ought
> to do
> the leg work yourself and not expect others to do it for you.
But we aren't at school/uni, we don't want to write a dissertation on
Mark said:
==
> And the fact we still cannot sign players over a month after the 'newco'
> bought Leeds I would say bears this mistrust out.
Who says we can't sign players? The FL holds both the player
registrations and any transfer monies from any dealings, This has been
the case fr
Bit late with yer barrow old love :-)
RickD wrote:
> http://www.companyrescue.co.uk/company-rescue/options/company-voluntary-arrangement.html
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Paul said
>
>In other words I'm not saying anyone HAS to do the leg work, but I am
>saying
>that if you want to understand what is going on then you really ought to do
>the leg work yourself and not expect others to do it for you.
>
>If you don't want to understand and you want to bury your head
> Mark H demanded:-
>
> > Show me the post where it was stated that being out of CVA was not a
> > requirement for the 'golden share'. RickD said that a FL
> > lawyer hinted that
> > it 'may not be necessary' if Bates wasnt in charge, but
> > nothing official
> > was stated from either the FL, L
Sorry if this has been posted before but I lost interest in the politics but
some queried the apparent generosity of Astor Holdings giving up their
preferential creditor status when they had been granted a debenture over the
club assets. Well this transfer of assets or granting of preference within
Mark,
Yanks are wanks, Bush is Satan!
;-)
On 6 Jul 2007, at 02:26, Mark Tuffey wrote:
> Yanks are wanks, Bush is Satan responses
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Why does my head hurt this morning? ... Oh yeah!
Both fair points Mark/Rick, although I personally have never really
counter argued at length precisely because of this point that you both
make, last week I was merely questioning certain aspects that were beyond
me and it all got very messy.
Who the
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