Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
I'm an outsider, have nothing to do with OpenWrt developement but still work on few projects which depend on OpenWrt as awesome project that enables us to do our projects (wifi mesh networking) but also do professional jobs for clients using OpenWrt as embedded os for lots of different applications

Re: [LEDE-DEV] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread mbm
On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues. Setting up the LEDE project was our way of cre

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Curran-Dickinson
On 16-05-05 03:22 PM, mbm wrote: > On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often >> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned >> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues. >> Set

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Might I submit that my impression is that Kaloz (at least) holds infrastructure hostage to maintain control, and that the fundamental problem here is that OpenWrt is *not* democratic and ignores what people who were ones visibly working on openwrt want and overrides their wishes because he/they has

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Luka Perkov
>On 2016-05-05 20:22, mbm wrote: >> On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >>> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often >>> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned >>> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues.

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Hartmut Knaack
mbm schrieb am 05.05.2016 um 21:22: > On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often >> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned >> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues.

Re: [LEDE-DEV] [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel Curran-Dickinson
Might I submit that my impression is that Kaloz (at least) holds infrastructure hostage to maintain control, and that the fundamental problem here is that OpenWrt is *not* democratic and ignores what people who were ones visibly working on openwrt want and overrides their wishes because he/they has

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-06 Thread Roman Yeryomin
On 6 May 2016 at 03:53, Luka Perkov wrote: >>On 2016-05-05 20:22, mbm wrote: >>> On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned toxic quickly and le

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-05 Thread David Lang
You may be right that OpenWRT is doomed, but we have seen time and time again that OpenSource software is not a zero-sum game. Yes, if OpenWRT does nothing, it will struggle, but that's unlikely to be the case. For that matter, even with no new manpower, OpenWRT could just copy everything th

Fwd: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Forwarded Message Subject:Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:29:47 -0700 From: Bill To: Daniel Curran-Dickinson Daniel- No, of course not - please do. I assumed, at least for the moment, the folks on LEDE are

Re: Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-05 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2016-05-05 20:22, mbm wrote: > On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often >> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned >> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues. >> S

Re: Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-05 Thread Felix Fietkau
Hi Mike, thank you for reaching out to us and for your interest in addressing these issues. On 2016-05-04 21:01, mbm wrote: > Dear OpenWrt community, > > It is with a great amount of surprise that, like all of you, we read > about the announcement of the LEDE project yesterday, as there was no

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-04 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Sorry if this hits the list twice, I sent from the wrong email and got bounced. On 16-05-04 06:05 PM, Bob Call wrote: > On Wed, 2016-05-04 at 21:19 +0100, tapper wrote: >> On 04/05/2016 21:01, mbm wrote: >>> >> [snip] > > I'm kind of split on this issue because I run a faltering OpenWRT fork, > f

Re: Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-04 Thread Bob Call
On Wed, 2016-05-04 at 21:19 +0100, tapper wrote: > On 04/05/2016 21:01, mbm wrote: > > > > Dear OpenWrt community, > > > > It is with a great amount of surprise that, like all of you, we > > read > > about the announcement of the LEDE project yesterday, as there was > > no > > prior announcement

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-04 Thread tapper
On 04/05/2016 21:01, mbm wrote: Dear OpenWrt community, It is with a great amount of surprise that, like all of you, we read about the announcement of the LEDE project yesterday, as there was no prior announcement nor clues this would happen. While we recognize the current OpenWrt project suffe

Re: Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-04 Thread mbm
Dear OpenWrt community, It is with a great amount of surprise that, like all of you, we read about the announcement of the LEDE project yesterday, as there was no prior announcement nor clues this would happen. While we recognize the current OpenWrt project suffers from a number of issues ou

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

2016-05-04 Thread Roman Yeryomin
On 4 May 2016 at 23:19, tapper wrote: > On 04/05/2016 21:01, mbm wrote: >> >> Dear OpenWrt community, >> >> It is with a great amount of surprise that, like all of you, we read >> about the announcement of the LEDE project yesterday, as there was no >> prior announcement nor clues this would happe