Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

On 07/23/2013 07:58 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Mihovil Stanic wrote: Changed Heading from "Naslov" to "Glavni naslov" and marked it fuzzy so I know to return it back when this gets fixed. Title keept old translation "Naslov". FYI: in an old copy of th

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Kruno had better suggestion: "Header style" insted of Header, so insted of Naslov, now it's "Stil naslova" which isn't incorrect and will not confuse users. Best regards, Mihovil Dana 23.7.2013. 10:05, Krunoslav Šebetić je napisao: On 07/23/2013 07:58 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Hi For future versions of LibreOffice wouldn't it be a good idea to change the English string from Title to Main Title? Or is it wrong to call it Main Title in English? The string Title is used a lot in the UI and at it seems that other languages than Swedish has the problem that we need to

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Or, even better (?), rename it to the tune of "Heading Base Style". -Yury On 07/23/2013 12:11 PM, Niklas Johansson wrote: Hi For future versions of LibreOffice wouldn't it be a good idea to change the English string from Title to Main Title? Or is it wrong to call it ... -- To unsubscribe e

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Do you mean changing Heading to Heading Base Style? The style thats called Title is not the base style of the headings, it's rather the document/book title. Since there are other styles based on Heading could we run into trouble if we change the name? If we change Heading to Heading Base Style

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Actually, I mean changing both: 1) Heading -> Heading Base Style 2) Title -> Document title And yes, other root (not-for-end-user) styles might be changed on the lines of (1), too. Wouldn't hurt, would reduce confusion. However, such change would quite an undertaking, as the basic set of styl

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Hi ~:) Errr, not sure if this is relevant but the Docs Team have talked about getting rid of all their non-standard 'newly' named styles and get right back down to just using the defaults.  The 'new' ones have names such as "ooo-heading1" so you can see why i'm being a bit sarcastic about the wo

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Hi :) I like the idea of a veto but only if it's used for when a particular language has had it's translations broken or corrupted in some way.  Obviously the example of "French" was a bit daft because the French translation is always excellent.  However, it's difficult to see a good example of

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Hi :) Ah, i didn't realise this thread was about a particular problem that has happened!  Please ignore my previous posts in this thread! Apols and regards from Tom : > > From: Sophie >To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org >Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 21:22 >Sub

[libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

On 07/23/2013 01:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I like the idea of a veto but only if it's used for when a particular language has had it's translations broken or corrupted in some way. Obviously the example of "French" was a bit daft because the French translation is always excellent. Howeve

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

2013/7/23 Yury Tarasievich > Actually, I mean changing both: > 1) Heading -> Heading Base Style > 2) Title -> Document title > If the only problem is same translation for "Heading" and "Title" my proposal is change only "Title" to "Document Title". The other should stay as is. Regards > > And

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013/7/23 Krunoslav Šebetić > On 07/23/2013 01:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > >> Hi :) >> I like the idea of a veto but only if it's used for when a particular >> language has had it's translations broken or corrupted in some way. >> Obviously the example of "French" was a bit daft because the Frenc

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

On 07/23/2013 01:45 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote: 2013/7/23 Krunoslav Šebetić > On 07/23/2013 01:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I like the idea of a veto but only if it's used for when a particular language has had it's translations broken

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

On 07/23/2013 01:53 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 07/23/2013 01:45 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote: 2013/7/23 Krunoslav Šebetić > On 07/23/2013 01:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I like the idea of a veto but only if it's used for when a par

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: > We also have problem with that - it's only our fault... I disagree: why is it our fault? Shouldn't LibreOffice handle styles in a translation-agnostic way in the first place? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreof

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013/7/23 Krunoslav Šebetić > On 07/23/2013 01:45 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote: > > > I'm fallowing this list for a few years but wasn't active till now, and > I'm not sure how it merged but bug is there. > > > Also: > > If the only problem is same translation for "Heading" and "Title" my > proposal

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

Better comprehensibility would also be good. The "Title->Name of the document" variant might also be considered for (2). -Yury On 07/23/2013 02:42 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote: 2013/7/23 Yury Tarasievich Actually, I mean changing both: 1) Heading -> Heading Base Style 2) Title -> Docu

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

I have a solution. PO files do have a comment field. This was unused before because the actual strings resided in sdf files and po files were just a derivative of sdf files. But now PO and POT files are the true base. So I guess it is job of authors of strings and documentation team to write to

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

2013/7/23 Yury Tarasievich > Better comprehensibility would also be good. > The "Title->Name of the document" variant might also be considered for (2). > I don´t think so as Christian explained: "The TITEL one is for the Document Title, The title of a book that usually only appears once at the

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013/7/23 Martin Srebotnjak > I have a solution. > > PO files do have a comment field. > > This was unused before because the actual strings resided in sdf files > and po files were just a derivative of sdf files. But now PO and POT > files are the true base. > > So I guess it is job of authors o

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

Hi Sérgio, *, On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote: > 2013/7/23 Martin Srebotnjak Why was there no announcement when getting the changes from pootle? → because there was no check that triggered a warning. Also there was no merge-conflict, as the problem is not with the translat

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

Would such comment be a solution, really? For one, PO fileset is local. Work put there is being constantly lost, if slowly. Now, is there a POT fileset serving as the root source of English strings? Is one Andras publishes such root source? Or is there one more root-ish than that? -Yury On

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

'Title', 'Heading', 'Name of the document' -- all these are good and bad. That string (being the label for the 1st field on the 2nd tab 'Description' in Document properties) is too vague in its purpose and use, anyway. And it seems it's a rudiment from times of restrictive filenames, never se

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

Le 23/07/2013 17:39, Yury Tarasievich a écrit : Would such comment be a solution, really? I don't know, we find the bug because we use the same set of docs during the tests of FR versions. Then we narrow that the EN version was ok and the bug appears between beta1 and beta2 and was present in

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

On 07/23/2013 06:48 PM, Sophie wrote: ... Now, is there a POT fileset serving as the root source of English strings? Is one Andras publishes such root source? Or is there one more root-ish than that? The latest pot file is published here by Andras http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/latest-pot

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013/7/23 Yury Tarasievich : > Would such comment be a solution, really? > > For one, PO fileset is local. Work put there is being constantly lost, if > slowly. > > Now, is there a POT fileset serving as the root source of English strings? > Is one Andras publishes such root source? > Or is there o

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013/7/23 Yury Tarasievich : > > On 07/23/2013 06:48 PM, Sophie wrote: > ... > >>> Now, is there a POT fileset serving as the >>> root source of English strings? >>> Is one Andras publishes such root source? >>> Or is there one more root-ish than that? >> >> >> The latest pot file is published here

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

On 07/23/2013 07:23 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: SDF is deprecated - POT files are generated directly from code, and PO files are directly checked back into code. So where would the comment come from after the re-generation? -Yury -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreof

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013/7/23 Yury Tarasievich : > > So where would the comment come from after the re-generation? > > I have written that already in another mail - from the code, from the same place where the string comes. There should be some refactoring of the toolkit to get pot files generated, of course. Lp, m.

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Yury Tarasievich wrote: > 'Title', 'Heading', 'Name of the document' -- all these are good and bad. No - in this context "Name of the document" is simply wrong for either of the two strings. And honestly: What is your point? You throw in random strings from other

[libreoffice-l10n] Bug 67227: longer-than-in-English strings won't fit

Hi all, I found a regression caused by converting dialogs to the new Glade UI, whereby strings that are considerably longer than their English originals, are cut off at the end. On my setup, it affects Estonian, Finnish, French, and sometimes German strings (and most likely others that I didn't te

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

My cryptic point is: the terse string 'Title' (having ID *_TITEL) in this particular case is not only uninformative, but also is capable of producing an error after translation. Hence, it'd be good not only to obtain divergence of English originals for this and for *_HEADLINE_BASE, but also

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

Hi, Le 23/07/2013 18:40, Martin Srebotnjak a écrit : 2013/7/23 Yury Tarasievich : So where would the comment come from after the re-generation? I have written that already in another mail - from the code, from the same place where the string comes. There should be some refactoring of the too

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

So effectively such placing of the comments is a thing of future, relying on several changes in the technological process (comments proper + toolkit refactored)? I was more interested in what might be done in that matter sort of now and read your message from a wrong perspective. -Yury On

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013/7/23 Yury Tarasievich : > So effectively such placing of the comments is a thing of future, relying on > several changes in the technological process (comments proper + toolkit > refactored)? > > I was more interested in what might be done in that matter sort of now and > read your message fro

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bug 67227: longer-than-in-English strings won't fit

I´m using 4.0.x in Portuguese The Portuguese strings are longer than English ones. But none of them are cutted. I will try it in 4.1 to check them. Regards 2013/7/23 Mihkel Tõnnov > Hi all, > > I found a regression caused by converting dialogs to the new Glade UI, > whereby strings that are c

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bug 67227: longer-than-in-English strings won't fit

> 2013/7/23 Mihkel Tõnnov >> I found a regression caused by converting dialogs to the new Glade UI, >> whereby strings that are considerably longer than their English originals, >> are cut off at the end. On my setup, it affects Estonian, Finnish, French, >> and sometimes German strings (and most

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bug 67227: longer-than-in-English strings won't fit

Le 23/07/2013 23:15, Martin Srebotnjak a écrit : 2013/7/23 Mihkel Tõnnov I found a regression caused by converting dialogs to the new Glade UI, whereby strings that are considerably longer than their English originals, are cut off at the end. On my setup, it affects Estonian, Finnish, French, a

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bug 67227: longer-than-in-English strings won't fit

Unfortunately, Sophie, I am using RC3 and have those issues. If needed I can provide screenshots. Lp, m. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.doc

Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bug 67227: longer-than-in-English strings won't fit

forwarding to the list, sorry for the wrong reply-to Martin. Sophie Message original Sujet: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bug 67227: longer-than-in-English strings won't fit Date : Wed, 24 Jul 2013 00:57:05 +0200 De : Sophie Pour : Martin Srebotnjak Le 24/07/2013 00:29, Martin Sreb

[libreoffice-l10n] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 RC4 test builds available for smoketesting

Hi *, QA found a number of problems that were initially addressed via a hotfix for the Linux packages, but then resulted in a fully new build today - we're now uploading builds of LibreOffice 4.1.0 RC4 to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're avai