KR> KR1B motorglider criteria question

2016-07-12 Thread jon kimmel
I can't argue with that...I was just wagging it because wiki says 34 lbs. Still, a very good looking selection for the purpose. I think I have figured why the faa has that criteria. I think they are combining surface loading and aspect ratio...both use wing surface...just a guess.of course...but

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2016-07-12 Thread Ronald Wright
, jon kimmel via KRnet wrote: Subject: Re: KR> KR1B motorglider criteria question To: "KRnet" Cc: "jon kimmel" Date: Monday, July 11, 2016, 8:11 PM The goal with a self launched sailplane is glideslope and low stall speed...so high aspect ratio and low weight.? The

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2016-07-11 Thread Kayak Chris
OK regarding the weight. I put 800lbs as a *gross* weight because I believe thats what the FAA criteria formula is based on, but not sure. The lightest KR (a 1.5) on the spreadsheet is 525lbs empty with a VW. I weight almost 200lbs. Fuel will be at least another hundred. That's 825 right there. I

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2016-07-11 Thread jon kimmel
The goal with a self launched sailplane is glideslope and low stall speed...so high aspect ratio and low weight. The engine we selected back in '82 was a kfm 107...25 hp at 40 lbs. You could do a max gross of under 500 lbs with an engine like that. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ htt

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2016-07-11 Thread JMelvin106 at aol.com
It will weigh 800 lbs if you put a Lycoming O-720 on it. John In a message dated 7/11/2016 3:48:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, krnet at list.krnet.org writes: At 03:33 PM 7/11/2016, you wrote: >if gross weight of say, 800lbs, what would the span need to be? +++

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2016-07-11 Thread kayak1176
I think its 27ft. ?but what I was getting it is FAA compliance to legally be a motorglider, which does not require a medical for example like LSA, ?and would allow retracts, cockput adjustable prop pitch, etc. and no altitude limitation. just curious if the kr1b complies.? Sent from my T-Mobil

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2016-07-11 Thread Mark Langford
The KR-1B wingspan is 27', empty weight 484 pounds, and gross weight 800 pounds. According to the previously mentioned rules (assuming they are true), that means a max weight of 452 pounds, whether gross or empty, which is less than either of the advertised numbers. Mark Langford ML at N56ML.c

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2016-07-11 Thread Larry Flesner
At 03:33 PM 7/11/2016, you wrote: >if gross weight of say, 800lbs, what would the span need to be? ++ I calculate 36 feet span but I can't imagine a kr1 motor glider having a gross weight of 800 pounds I doubt the spars will handle a 36 foot

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2016-07-11 Thread kayak1176
if gross weight of say, 800lbs, what would the span need to be? Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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2016-07-11 Thread jon kimmel
My assumption is that they are talking gross weight. We did a powered sailplane design as my senior design project in college...but I don't remember any details...long long time ago...found a great little 2 cylinder engine that weighed next to nothing. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/

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2016-07-11 Thread Larry Flesner
At 08:30 AM 7/11/2016, you wrote: >At 07:59 AM 7/11/2016, you wrote: > >>"The maximum weight to wing span squared w/b squared ) does not exceed >>>3.0 kg/ma (0.62 lb./ft squared )" >>> >>>http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_21.17-2A.pdf >>++

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2016-07-11 Thread Larry Flesner
At 07:59 AM 7/11/2016, you wrote: >"The maximum weight to wing span squared w/b squared ) does not exceed >>3.0 kg/ma (0.62 lb./ft squared )" >> >>http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_21.17-2A.pdf >+++ After furth

KR> KR1B motorglider criteria question

2016-07-11 Thread Larry Flesner
"The maximum weight to wing span squared w/b squared ) does not exceed >3.0 kg/ma (0.62 lb./ft squared )" > >http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_21.17-2A.pdf +++ Chris, I checked the web site and couldn't find

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2016-07-11 Thread Kayak Chris
I noticed that nvAero now offers the KR1B motorglider wing plans. The FAA specifies the criteria for a plane to be considered a motorglider and the main one is: "The maximum weight to wing span squared w/b squared ) does not exceed 3.0 kg/ma (0.62 lb./ft squared )" http://www.faa.gov/documentLib