Re: [Koha-devel] SQL92 keywords and naming columns

2016-05-31 Thread Marcel de Rooy
Just adding a link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10459 This reports contains some (older) discussions on this topic. Note that timestamps are not per se updated automatically. Van: koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org namens

[Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Owen Leonard
Do we need a procedure for getting consensus on Koha interface changes? I'm thinking about this issue in part because of a couple of interface changes I've been working on. One for Bug 16421: Move hold edit actions into dropdown menu https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16421

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Christopher Davis
Owen, You bring up a good question? Could the new features which you are proposing be optional? I know that having the features optional would just "kick the can" on interface consensus down the road until the next interface design surfaces. -- Christopher Davis, MLS Systems & E-Services Librari

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Owen Leonard
> Could the new features which you are proposing be optional? They're not really new features, they're just changes to the way existing features look. We can't build options for every change we want to make to the interface. We need to make educated choices about what we think is the best way for

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Christopher Davis
Owen, I think that Koha users should voice their opinion/votes as that the Koha software, more or less, belongs to them. Now, what vehicle should we use to collect everyone's opinion/vote (like Survey Monkey, Google forms, IRC voting, etc.) and should there be a committee formed for this purpose?

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Kyle Hall
I'm concerned that we are going down a road where every patch submitted to the Koha project will end up requiring a community vote. I think it would be more reasonable and efficient to add a community UI manager role to the project. Someone who is empowered to make executive decisions on this matte

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Eric Bégin
I would rather have a Interface guideline the same way we have coding guidelines. I'm pretty sure that there are some UX design patterns available somewhere. If we would like to have a rules, I would suggest that something that changes the screenshot used in the user documentation should be a

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Kyle Hall
Love it! I'd say this is a much better idea! Kyle Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. On May 31, 2016 4:25 PM, "Eric Bégin" wrote: > I would rather have a Interface guideline the same way we have coding > guidelines. > > I'm pretty sure that there are some UX design patterns available

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Katrin
I like the idea of having a role like 'GUI manager' and also the idea of having style guidelines for the interfaces. Actually, I think. we already have both of those, as Owen has been working on writing documentation about existing patterns on the wiki. I am not in favor of approving every cha

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Kyle Hall
I think you've summarized everything nicely. If Owen were interested in taking some official mantel I would not be opposed ; ) I think we need to focus on expediency and uniformity primarily. I think we basically have those two things, but they could both be improved. I would be more than happy to

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Marc Véron
+1 for 'Style guidelines' and 'GUI manager' Regarding the Wiki: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_patterns https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_Handbook (1.2 User Interface) Should this be consolidated in one document? Marc Am 01.06.2016 um 02:43 schrieb Kyle Hall: I

Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface changes?

2016-05-31 Thread Marcel de Rooy
We are getting too much managers here :) Van: koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org namens Marc Véron Verzonden: woensdag 1 juni 2016 08:13:30 Aan: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Onderwerp: Re: [Koha-devel] How do we find consensus on interface change