Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-14 Thread Mason James
On 2012-09-15, at 3:35 AM, Mark Tompsett wrote: > Greetings, > >> will the RST be made available as text [snip] >> to allow copy/paste of cli lines using vi (or whatever) during the >> install process? > > The tarball will have Git installation method instructions for Ubuntu. After > all, > if

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-14 Thread Mason James
On 2012-09-15, at 1:22 AM, Paul wrote: > At 03:00 PM 9/14/2012 +1200, Mason James wrote: >> On 2012-09-13, at 2:30 PM, Mark Tompsett wrote: >> > Greetings, >> > [snip] >> > Re: proposal for use of a standard for documentation (RST) >> > -- Don't care about the format. But I like standards. Standa

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-14 Thread Mark Tompsett
Greetings, will the RST be made available as text [snip] to allow copy/paste of cli lines using vi (or whatever) during the install process? The tarball will have Git installation method instructions for Ubuntu. After all, if you are doing a packages installation, you will not have an INSTAL

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-14 Thread Paul
At 03:00 PM 9/14/2012 +1200, Mason James wrote: On 2012-09-13, at 2:30 PM, Mark Tompsett wrote: > Greetings, > [snip] > Re: proposal for use of a standard for documentation (RST) > -- Don't care about the format. But I like standards. Standards clarify and guide. Standards are good. +1 for the

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-13 Thread Mason James
On 2012-09-13, at 2:30 PM, Mark Tompsett wrote: > Greetings, > > [snip] > Re: proposal for use of a standard for documentation (RST) > -- Don't care about the format. But I like standards. Standards clarify and > guide. Standards are good. > > [snip] >> 2/ mark old/obsolete doco as *WARNING -

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-12 Thread Mark Tompsett
Greetings, [snip] Re: proposal for use of a standard for documentation (RST) -- Don't care about the format. But I like standards. Standards clarify and guide. Standards are good. [snip] 2/ mark old/obsolete doco as *WARNING - DEPRECIATED*, and redirect to new doco location (...or just dele

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-10 Thread BWS Johnson
Salvete! >   (...or just delete the old doco)++     Don't pick this option. Warn instead. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_warning_templates)     As someone with deprecated documentation, on the few occasions when I return to clean things up, I count on my old doc being there as

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-10 Thread Mason James
On 2012-09-10, at 8:00 PM, Paul Poulain wrote: > Le 10/09/2012 06:18, Mason James a écrit : >> after a process of elimination, RST was a pretty clear winner, why? > Hi Mason, > > I'm not sure I understand well what you're proposing here : write the > install doc in RST ? yep, basically thats i

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-10 Thread Mirko
Mason James schrieb am 10.09.2012 10:23:44 > > ok, so a little late... but some very successful news… :) […] Looks very nice, thank you for taking the time to do this evaluation! > > finally... I'm volunteering to be Koha's 'installation > doumentation' manager a new role, similar to Nicole's

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-10 Thread Fischer, Katrin
Hi Mason, > so these 2 wiki docs... > http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian > http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu > > convert to these 2 RST docs... > http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/debian.html > http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/ubuntu.html > the docs l

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-10 Thread Paul Poulain
Le 10/09/2012 06:18, Mason James a écrit : > after a process of elimination, RST was a pretty clear winner, why? Hi Mason, I'm not sure I understand well what you're proposing here : write the install doc in RST ? rewrite all the doc (including Nicole one) ? Thx for clarifying my cloudy brain ;-)

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-10 Thread Mark Tompsett
Greetings, [snip] finally... I'm volunteering to be Koha's 'installation doumentation' manager a new role, similar to Nicole's 'documentation manager' role, but focusing on Koha's installation documentation only +1 I think this role is necessary so that installation documentation can be con

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-09-09 Thread Mason James
On 2012-08-28, at 8:18 AM, Mason James wrote: > > On 2012-08-24, at 7:27 AM, Robin Sheat wrote: > >> Op 23-08-12 21:00, Mason James schreef: >>> there looks to be some good conversion tools between asciidoc, pod, and wiki >>> (and then html, docbook, pdf and latex too) >> >> While you're explo

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-27 Thread Mason James
On 2012-08-24, at 7:27 AM, Robin Sheat wrote: > Op 23-08-12 21:00, Mason James schreef: >> there looks to be some good conversion tools between asciidoc, pod, and wiki >> (and then html, docbook, pdf and latex too) > > While you're exploring, I hear good things about markdown as a > human-writab

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Mason James
On 2012-08-24, at 7:28 AM, Mark Tompsett wrote: > Greetings, > > Right now. People are probably doing “less INSTALL.blah”. Less is standard. > We’ve got a perl application being installed, so perldoc isn’t a far fetched > expectation. As long as we get a format where people can easily “ > ”

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Mark Tompsett
Greetings, Right now. People are probably doing “less INSTALL.blah”. Less is standard. We’ve got a perl application being installed, so perldoc isn’t a far fetched expectation. As long as we get a format where people can easily “ ” after a “sudo apt-get install ”, I don’t care. Particularly if

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Robin Sheat
Op 23-08-12 21:00, Mason James schreef: > there looks to be some good conversion tools between asciidoc, pod, and wiki > (and then html, docbook, pdf and latex too) While you're exploring, I hear good things about markdown as a human-writable but still parseable format, and I'd give good odds the

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Mason James
On 2012-08-24, at 3:25 AM, Chris Nighswonger wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Robin Sheat wrote: > Op 23-08-12 17:14, Chris Nighswonger schreef: > > > > If we can agree to some sort of standardized formatting, I'll write a > > parser to generate the wiki pages from the INSTALL files. >

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Chris Nighswonger
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Robin Sheat wrote: > Op 23-08-12 17:14, Chris Nighswonger schreef: > > > > If we can agree to some sort of standardized formatting, I'll write a > > parser to generate the wiki pages from the INSTALL files. > > Wiki formatting would make sense, wouldn't it? > > I

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Galen Charlton
Hi, On 08/23/2012 11:14 AM, Chris Nighswonger wrote: If we can agree to some sort of standardized formatting, I'll write a parser to generate the wiki pages from the INSTALL files. Speaking of standardized formatting, how about AsciiDoc? [1] Some advantages: - producing HTML and other output

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Robin Sheat
Op 23-08-12 17:14, Chris Nighswonger schreef: > > If we can agree to some sort of standardized formatting, I'll write a > parser to generate the wiki pages from the INSTALL files. Wiki formatting would make sense, wouldn't it? It's reasonably readable too. -- Robin Sheat Catalyst IT Ltd. ✆ +64

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Chris Nighswonger
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Mason James wrote: > > > I already volunteered for Ubuntu files. > > > awesome Tomaz > > i'll volunteer to update and do QA on the debian INSTALL.* files > > If we can agree to some sort of standardized formatting, I'll write a parser to generate the wiki pages f

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Mason James
On 2012-08-24, at 2:02 AM, Tomas Cohen Arazi wrote: > I agree with all of you. And must add that a while ago I started the > rewrite of the Ubuntu install files (look at the first commit on that > bug), after which Mark put his hands on it and now we've got this > fresh install instructions. > >

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Mason James
On 2012-08-23, at 4:12 PM, Mark Tompsett wrote: > Greetings, > > Yes, I was hoping to getting around to cleaning up the documentation further. > However until I have a 64-bit OS to attempt to install, I can't really > address all the problems some people are encountering. Which bugs me, becaus

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-23 Thread Tomas Cohen Arazi
I agree with all of you. And must add that a while ago I started the rewrite of the Ubuntu install files (look at the first commit on that bug), after which Mark put his hands on it and now we've got this fresh install instructions. For that purpose I set (on our infrastructure) both a 10.04 and 1

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-22 Thread Mark Tompsett
Greetings, Yes, I was hoping to getting around to cleaning up the documentation further. However until I have a 64-bit OS to attempt to install, I can't really address all the problems some people are encountering. Which bugs me, because I want good documentation for all three types of install

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-22 Thread Chris Cormack
On 23 August 2012 13:52, Chris Nighswonger wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Chris Cormack > wrote: >> >> > what do other Koha devs think? >> > does anyone else agree that these old or inaccurate install guides are >> > causing problems for Koha newbies? >> > >> +1 for bringing them into

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-22 Thread Chris Nighswonger
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Chris Cormack wrote: > > what do other Koha devs think? > > does anyone else agree that these old or inaccurate install guides are > causing problems for Koha newbies? > > > +1 for bringing them into version control and under signoff/qa process. > > If we follow th

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-22 Thread BWS Johnson
Salvete! > the big problem is... > there are too many 'Koha installation guides' on the kc.org wiki that > have old ,incorrect, redundant or duplicated info >         Alternatively, we could mark those entries up with wiki tags to reflect that there is old, incorrect, or redundant redundant

Re: [Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-22 Thread Chris Cormack
On 23 August 2012 12:25, Mason James wrote: >> >> Regards >> To+ >> >> PS: Sorry for my poor english. > > >> PS2: I've struggled and got annoyed for the outdated docs, and even >> filled this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478. >> You'll see Mark's work there. > > Tomas

[Koha-devel] Lets improve the Koha installation documentation

2012-08-22 Thread Mason James
> > Regards > To+ > > PS: Sorry for my poor english. > PS2: I've struggled and got annoyed for the outdated docs, and even > filled this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478. > You'll see Mark's work there. Tomas there has been some discussion about ways to improve th