Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-12 Thread Jon Evans
Hi John, I am mainly looking at eeschema right now, so I haven't studied the GAL code closely yet. pcbnew's behavior in GAL canvas is certainly better than legacy and eeschema, but still does some odd things that I want to look at. I will have to get familiar with GAL in order to see how my chan

Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-12 Thread John Beard
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Jon Evans wrote: > > The core of the issue is how KiCad thinks about selection of objects > compared to most other software that deals with graphical objects that the > user interacts with. > > Most applications have the concept of a "selection set" that contains 0

Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-12 Thread Jon Evans
Hi Clemens, thanks for the suggestions! I will take some time to think about them. Hi Kristoffer, I understand there will be people like you who want the current system, and I am trying to figure out the best way to propose something that would be accepted by all. The current system has some pro

Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-12 Thread Kristoffer Ödmark
Hmm, I am a fan of the selection menu that pops up actually, I would like to keep it. I think that the list can be used simultaneous with the hotkeys and autoselection. Just hide it whenever another action is invoked on the item that is curently selected in the list. - Kristoffer On 2017-02

Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-11 Thread Clemens Koller
Hallo, Jon! On 2017-02-11 20:21, Jon Evans wrote: > I had been thinking about proposing this already as a UX enhancement, > and then while looking through the starter bugs realized that lp:1154020 [1] > is actually quite difficult to solve in a nice way due to the popup menu > used for clarificati

Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-11 Thread Jon Evans
I was going to add a context menu entry for "next selection", is that obvious enough to you or do you think there should be extra hints? On Feb 11, 2017 18:14, "Chris Pavlina" wrote: > Very nice. I only think it needs to be a bit more obvious how to do it. > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 05:49:05PM

Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-11 Thread Chris Pavlina
Very nice. I only think it needs to be a bit more obvious how to do it. On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 05:49:05PM -0500, Jon Evans wrote: > Proof of concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnXPosOHcY > (when you see the selection changing, I'm hitting the new hotkey I made for > cycling through items)

Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-11 Thread Jon Evans
Proof of concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnXPosOHcY (when you see the selection changing, I'm hitting the new hotkey I made for cycling through items) On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: > I wish I had thoughts more verbose than "yes" right now... Yeah, this is > how

Re: [Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-11 Thread Chris Pavlina
I wish I had thoughts more verbose than "yes" right now... Yeah, this is how most tools work, and it's quite intuitive. I would be 100% in favor of implementing it this way. On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 02:21:08PM -0500, Jon Evans wrote: > Hi all, > > I had been thinking about proposing this already a

[Kicad-developers] RFC: Change UX for item selection clarification

2017-02-11 Thread Jon Evans
Hi all, I had been thinking about proposing this already as a UX enhancement, and then while looking through the starter bugs realized that lp:1154020 [1] is actually quite difficult to solve in a nice way due to the popup menu used for clarification today, so I decided to send it out now. I prop