Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-03 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 08:04:47AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > On the other hand, I never did appreciate any of Lorenzo's layer work. The > LAYER_ID was > an incomplete solution from the day he brought it up. I voiced an objection > at the time, > yet gave him latitude to make the commit or

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-03 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 07/01/2014 10:44 AM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: > On 01.07.2014 17:16, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: >> On 06/30/2014 02:34 PM, Javier Serrano wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio >>> >>> wrote: I see the commits. Could have be useful to know before since both me and >>

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-02 Thread Javier Serrano
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > Generally you should not expect me to beg to make my contributions. Sorry to insist, but this is important for us. Neither Tom nor I asked you to beg to make contributions. We did not even challenge your decision to proceed after discussin

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-02 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 08:50:26AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > This is one of the use cases which argues for the fixed indices of each > layer. If you > first had to lookup the index, then do the flipping, it would be an extra > step. This sort > of answers your question below at 3). Perfo

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-02 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 07/02/2014 07:46 AM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 10:16:06AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: >> JP, Wayne and I developed the following working blueprint and attached >> spreadsheet. >> Spreadsheet from JP. > > OK pondered over this, here's what I think. >> 1) Wanted 32 C

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-02 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 10:16:06AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > JP, Wayne and I developed the following working blueprint and attached > spreadsheet. > Spreadsheet from JP. OK pondered over this, here's what I think. > 1) Wanted 32 CU layers, but wanted the stack flipped to match what the > s

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 07:14:43PM +0200, jp charras wrote: > This explains core developers (mainly Dick who made 99% of the work) > started and *finished* the work to expand the number of layers. I had a lot of the job done too, at least on a trial basis. Asked for feedback on the list and got th

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-01 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 11:00:45AM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > Generally you should not expect me to beg to make my contributions. We've > had more than > enough discussions in the past about how to hold layers, and no agreement was > in sight. At least some thing on the mailing list would

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-01 Thread jp charras
<> >>> >>> JP, Wayne and I developed the following working blueprint and attached >>> spreadsheet. >>> Spreadsheet from JP. >> >> Dick, >> >> What was your reason for keeping this blueprint secret and not involving >> CERN (as well as other important developers) in the discussion? >> >> I si

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-01 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 07/01/2014 10:44 AM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: > On 01.07.2014 17:16, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: >> On 06/30/2014 02:34 PM, Javier Serrano wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio >>> >>> wrote: I see the commits. Could have be useful to know before since both me and >>

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-07-01 Thread Tomasz Wlostowski
On 01.07.2014 17:16, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: On 06/30/2014 02:34 PM, Javier Serrano wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: I see the commits. Could have be useful to know before since both me and the cern people were already working on that. I confirm we had a ph

Re: [Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-06-30 Thread Javier Serrano
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote: > I see the commits. Could have be useful to know before since both me > and the cern people were already working on that. I confirm we had a phone conversation with Lorenzo about this work and were planning to write a blueprint for him

[Kicad-developers] New layer ids

2014-06-30 Thread Lorenzo Marcantonio
I see the commits. Could have be useful to know before since both me and the cern people were already working on that. Some things I don't get and other observations: Why keep LAYER_NUM around if LAYER_ID is there? the 'incrementable' property can be easily added to an enum (just define the opera