Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-26 Thread Evan Shultz
Oliver, I have concerns about greying out the part and being able to see any change when printed in B&W. This may be why Altium used a big "x", and why the tools I regularly use also allow an "x" or removing the DNI (I'm most familiar with this acronym) part. Another thing to consider is the abil

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-26 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
Oliver, On 11/26/2018 4:03 AM, Oliver Walters wrote: > I'd like some direction from a project leader on how I should progress, > rather than wasting my efforts: > > 1. Adding "DNP" option to schematic components. > > This can be achieved now, without breaking the .sch file format. It > allows co

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Oliver Walters
Hi Oliver, > > > I think we need to fit this in with the existing PCBNew Attributes stuff > (“attr” in the file format). We currently have through-hole, SMD and > virtual (the later being similar to DNF/DNP), but a lot of folks have found > that too limiting for various reasons. I suspect this me

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
Just a reminder, we already have a properties token for key/value pairs. Key/value pairs are provided for use by third party tools and are not used internally. All internal functionality must be implement as valid file tokens. Also keep in mind that one of the goals of kicad file formats is to b

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
su 25. marrask. 2018 klo 20.25 Jeff Young (j...@rokeby.ie) kirjoitti: > > > I think we need to fit this in with the existing PCBNew Attributes stuff > (“attr” in the file format). We currently have through-hole, SMD and > virtual (the later being similar to DNF/DNP) > I have always found "virtua

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Jon Evans
Along these lines, we should probably figure out what attributes/properties KiCad should store as rigidly-defined fields/data members rather than a more flexible (key/value) system. >From what I can tell, some of the commercial EDA software I have used treats almost everything as an "attribute" in

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Jeff Young
Hi Oliver, I think we need to fit this in with the existing PCBNew Attributes stuff (“attr” in the file format). We currently have through-hole, SMD and virtual (the later being similar to DNF/DNP), but a lot of folks have found that too limiting for various reasons. I suspect this means we n

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Jon Evans
I've often seen "NC" used to mean "no connect" which usually is the "X" symbol you put on pins to prevent ERC warnings. DNP is also the one I've seen the most. I actually have heard from a (US-based) assembly vendor that DNP is the most common, DNI is next after that, and all other options are way

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Mark Roszko
>In the files I have used "DNF" or "fitted" - what should the accepted nomenclature be here? I've seen DNF / DNP / NC and other examples used. I'd like to get some clarity on what I should use going forward. By far I've always seen DNP in mass usage. "Do not populate". I've seen "NC" less often f

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Oliver Walters
Frank, That's a good idea,I hadn't thought of that. I'll add it to my working document. Cheers, On Sun, 25 Nov 2018, 20:00 Hi Oliver > > This looks very nice! A plot option to disable DNF components in paste > layer would be nice > > > 25. nov. 2018 05.38 skrev Oliver Walters : > > A feature I

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread frank
Hi OliverThis looks very nice! A plot option to disable DNF components in paste layer would be nice 25. nov. 2018 05.38 skrev Oliver Walters :A feature I feel has been missing from KiCad is the ability to mark parts as "DNF" (Do Not Fit) so they are excluded from assembly files (BoM / PnP / etc).Ma

Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFQ] - Do Not Fit

2018-11-25 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
su 25. marrask. 2018 klo 6.38 Oliver Walters (oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com) kirjoitti: > > >- (Eventually) ability to switch between assembly variants in PCBNEW > > We regularly need several independent variants in the same board. For example two different regulators for different kinds of