[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] [NEW] Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
Public bug reported: Error: Kernel foolishly shuts down the computer when it overheats. /var/log/kern.log W500 kernel: [1448.648529] thermal thermal_zone1: critical temperature reached (100 C), shutting down Consequence: Shutting down destroys session in Ubuntu, Gnome, and all applications that

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
As recommended on irc/Freenode/#ubuntu-kernel ; -installed linux-generic-lts-vivid -ensured that new kernel is running -ensured that thermald is running The problem remains the same: overheating with fan speed staying low (3500 out of 5000rpm) after several minutes at 95C. -- You received this

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
** Description changed: - Error: + Error: Kernel foolishly shuts down the computer when it overheats. /var/log/kern.log W500 kernel: [1448.648529] thermal thermal_zone1: critical temperature reached (100 C), shutting down Consequence: Shutting down destroys session in Ubuntu, Gnome,

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
The hardware was disassembled and everything was fine. Fan kept speed well after blowing into it. I drilled extra holes to the case bottom to aid air flow. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kernel Packages, which is subscribed to linux in Ubuntu. https://bugs.laun

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
Installed kernel Linux 4.2.0-040200-generic . Ensured it was running. Problem remains the same: overheating with fan speed staying low (up to 3600 out of 5000rpm) after several minutes at 90-96C. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => Confirmed ** Tags added: kernel-bug-exi

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
running "powerstat -Da 1 60" returns "Device does not have any RAPL domains, cannot power measure power usage." -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kernel Packages, which is subscribed to linux in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1491797 Title: Shuts down w

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
I might renew the cooler paste some day. Why isn't the fan being run in disengaged mode at 5100 RPM by the kernel in a thermal emergency? Surely that would be easier to do than to have every Lenovo W500's cooler pastes renewed? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ke

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
If thermald is supposed to throttle CPU according to temperature, it doesn't work. Whatever is throttling the CPU seems to be unaware of temperature, because the more I load the machine, the more reliably "cpufreq-info -w" returns "2801000" while temperature is at 90-95 C. Only when there is less

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
Attachment from "powerstat -za 1 480". ** Attachment added: "Intermittent full load over 30% base load" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1491797/+attachment/4456951/+files/powerstat-lenovo-W500-2015.09.03.txt -- You received this bug notification because you are a member

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
I can't see how that information could be helpful in fixing the problem. It doesn't matter whether there's a common hardware ailment involved in this particular overheating or not. The software is acting like an idiot and wasting all its chances to remedy the situation: -fan not running at full

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-03 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
Attachment from "sudo thermald --no-daemon --dbus-enable --loglevel=debug | tee thermald.log". ** Attachment added: "A few minutes full load over 30% base load" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1491797/+attachment/4457110/+files/thermald-lenovo-W500-2015.09.04.log -- You

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-04 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
Responses to the points above I disagree with: * fan not running at full speed in disengaged mode in a thermal emergency "... so it never exceeds a top speed of 3500 RPM. This matches the original thermal design by the manufacturer." -When reality acutely requires full speed, it is madness to refe

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-04 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
The thermald throttling malfunctioning is interesting. Yes, I believe my laptop is among the several % of portables having cooling issues due to old age and/or on-the-edge design. Like I said, it's a common ailment. Just google "ubuntu laptop overheating" to find out how common. What are we suppos

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-04 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
I accepted it being a common hardware issue many messages up. Which is easier; fixing the kernel to be non-destructive for these machines, or physically overhauling all overheating laptops running Linux? The "opening windows in a house fire" -parable is inaccurate. What I'm suggesting for the hou

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-04 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
It doesn't matter whether this machine has the common old-age ailment of dried thermal grease or not. It's part of normal ageing, so Linux needs to be able to handle it in a non-destructive way. Now Linux is being bullheadedly intolerant to common ailments. It's like a doctor letting an old patien

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-04 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
Speaking to Lenovo won't automatically fix the issue, because it is way harder to get people to install bios updates than to accept kernel updates. Fan control disengaged mode works: fan runs 4700 RPM, which keeps temperature down at 84 C after several minutes at full load. Unfortunately in diseng

[Kernel-packages] [Bug 1491797] Re: Shuts down when supposed to suspend as a reaction to self-caused overheat, session lost

2015-09-06 Thread Harri K. Hiltunen
** Description changed: Error: - Kernel foolishly shuts down the computer when it overheats. + Kernel foolishly shuts down the computer when it overheats because of the underlying bug "Overheat due to slow fans when on 'auto'" + ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/751689 ).