Re: Audio issue - was Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-12-10 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Sunday December 10 2023 10:42:33 Richard Troy wrote: >THIS MADE ME HAPPY AND ANGRY! What had happened?! WHERE DID IT GO?! A wild but educated guess: the file was removed as part of the upgrade an all-wayland and a service to you to prevent issues (hypothetical ones, or xwayland might use the

Re: Audio issue - was Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-12-10 Thread Richard Troy
Hi Duncan, René, et al, WOW, I'm impressed! THANK YOU for all your thoughts on this matter. I have some responses and some good news. ...I usually don't delete stuff, but this time I'm going to delete a bunch to focus on just the pertinent bits and comment "in-line:" I may or may not be mu

Re: Audio issue - was Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-12-09 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Saturday December 09 2023 10:59:53 Duncan wrote: There are a few writers on this list...! :) >BTW, you're not doing audio via HDMI off the video card, right? I'm not >sure that's an exactly common configuration (but then again I'm more I don't know how common that is on Linux either (esp.

Re: Audio issue - was Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-12-09 Thread Duncan
Richard Troy posted on Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:20:52 -0800 (PST) as excerpted: > Hi Dave, René, Duncan, et al, > > Thank you for your posts as your discussion from just before > Thanksgiving (in the USA) seems VERY pertinent regarding a problem I'm > experiencing. I may or may not be much help, but t

Audio issue - was Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-12-03 Thread Richard Troy
Hi Dave, René, Duncan, et al, Thank you for your posts as your discussion from just before Thanksgiving (in the USA) seems VERY pertinent regarding a problem I'm experiencing. Just catching up from Thanksgiving and follow-on travels (travails!), and this thread that Dave kicked off, has me t

Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-11-29 Thread Duncan
Dave Close posted on Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:32:19 -0800 as excerpted: > So, obviously, something is different in FC39. I'll spend some time > checking but it is no longer urgent for me. All of the other machines I > have that now run FC39 and can successfully start Wayland have AMD > Radeon graphics

Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-11-22 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Tuesday November 21 2023 19:32:19 Dave Close wrote: >Radeon graphics while this one uses an Intel 82Q35 (i915 firmware). So >it certainly looks as though the i915 firmware is the problem. I'll be >watching for updates. Now that you're back up and running you can check if FC38 adds any i915 par

Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-11-21 Thread Dave Close
I wrote: >Until FC39, I had only run Wayland on one of my machines, not even >trying to bring it up on the others. Since I intensely dislike the >graphic login, I found a way to start it from a virtual terminal like >I normally start X11. Instead of "startx", I have a short script I call >"startw"

Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-11-20 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Duncan's suggestion that it could be permissions issue is worth investigating; it could definitely be a reason for errors when launching the GUI from a console. But not, IMHO, for issues with X11 started through a DM as the server should in that case run as root (it does on my system at least.

Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-11-20 Thread Dave Close
René J.V. Bertin and Duncan responded to my note. Thank you to both, that is great information. I'm working through the ideas now but thus far haven't found a solution. I won't repeat the whole exchange at this point, waiting until I have something to add. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine C

Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-11-20 Thread Duncan
Dave Close posted on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:29 -0800 as excerpted: > Until FC39, I had only run Wayland on one of my machines, not even > trying to bring it up on the others. Since I intensely dislike the > graphic login, I found a way to start it from a virtual terminal like I > normally start X1

Re: Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-11-20 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Sunday November 19 2023 22:39:29 Dave Close wrote: >It seems to me that this is unlikely to be a KDE problem, especially >since KDE starts great under X11. I'm just hoping someone will be >able to help me understand why this is failing. There are some online >references to a problem with the /d

Starting Wayland-KDE on FC39

2023-11-19 Thread Dave Close
Until FC39, I had only run Wayland on one of my machines, not even trying to bring it up on the others. Since I intensely dislike the graphic login, I found a way to start it from a virtual terminal like I normally start X11. Instead of "startx", I have a short script I call "startw" that contains