Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Markus Müller
Hi Martin and all, I must admit I have trouble following the discussion on this list with this amount of activity going on. ;-) Martin Davis schrieb: > [snip] > > More generally, this is all moving in the direction of supporting a full > GML-like data model, where Features can contain Featu

Re: [JPP-Devel] Unstable branch of the OpenJUMP CVS...

2007-06-04 Thread Stephan Holl
Hello Craig, SS, "A. Craig West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [20070604 - 22:22:16] > Normally, the head is the unstable code, and any changes which have > been tested get merged to the stable branch... Yes, that was my intention to tell as well. I strongly suggest to fo

Re: [JPP-Devel] Unstable branch of the OpenJUMP CVS...

2007-06-04 Thread A. Craig West
AD which gets branched into > > release-branches which can be kept separately. I am involved in several > > OS software development where this structure is quite common. > > > > To introduce this now would lead into adding a branch (release_1.2) of > > the current HEAD. Pe

Re: [JPP-Devel] Support for non-spatial features...

2007-06-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Martin wrote: "...Actually, my original concept for JUMP was that there would be a Catalog concept, with a UI which showed all the spatial tables which were loaded and exposed as Layers in Task map views. Non-spatial tables would have just shown up in the Catalog window. Ideally you could drag'n'

Re: [JPP-Devel] writing help for Openjump

2007-06-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Inkscape: http://www.inkscape.org/ Scribus: http://www.scribus.net/ OpenJUMP Basics Tutorial: http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/jump-pilot/OpenJUMP1.0.1_Tutorial_englishBeta.pdf On 6/4/07, Sunburned Surveyor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Giuseppe, > > We should definitely work to

Re: [JPP-Devel] writing help for Openjump

2007-06-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Giuseppe, We should definitely work together on the OpenJUMP documentation. I can help you with the English translations of your work. Have you ever used the open source desktop publishing software Scribus? How about the vector program Inkscape? Those are two of the tools that I am using to write

Re: [JPP-Devel] Common Feature model

2007-06-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
There is almost too much good stuff going on around here to keep up with. :] Paul wrote: "I agree if the open source GIS community can agree on a single in memory Java representation for geographic features that would make all the tools more interoperable." You should definitely get more involved

Re: [JPP-Devel] Common Feature model

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Austin
The reason I was thinking of Object type for Ids is that then you could use a Long, Integer or String for the feature ID depending on the type of data. I normally use Long but some models may use String based globally unique ids, I wouldn't want to use String for numeric fields all the time. O

Re: [JPP-Devel] Common Feature model

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Austin
Stefan, POJO is a Plain Old Java Object so when you see that it means the property value can be any Java object, we don't have to know how to handle it but some models may require the data to be persevered. A feature without a schema is basically just a Map of property names to values, rather

Re: [JPP-Devel] Common Feature model

2007-06-04 Thread Michaël Michaud
Hi Paul, 1. Do you really need Object type for ids (I think ids are Strings in GeoTools - don't know if there is performance penality compared to int ids, or some cases where a genaral Object type is needed) 2/3. If I can remember, GeoTools complex feature model fulfill 2 and 3 requirements, an

Re: [JPP-Devel] Common Feature model

2007-06-04 Thread Stefan Steiniger
hei.. i did not read all the stuff before until now... but.. your suggestions are nice.. but if i think what all need to be changed (especially in terms of avoiding errors).. i don't know? but maybe it is more simple than i thought if one can simply add some feature properties such as Attribtut

Re: [JPP-Devel] Support for non-spatial features...

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Davis
Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > I still think you could encapsulate this functionality in a plug-in or > set of plug-ins. This might not be the best way to go long term, but > it could let us test out how things would work without messing with > the core. > > For example, I wouldn't even mess with th

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Davis
Ok, sounds cool. One slight clarification/comment - I don't think you want to "switch on the fly the renderers in the registry". The whole idea behind the Registry is that it is a pretty much static container of components (or Strategy objects). Registry items can be added (by plugins or on

Re: [JPP-Devel] Streamlining Java2DConverter decimation

2007-06-04 Thread Larry Becker
I don't have time to look at it closely right now, but it sounds like a logical simplification. I hate that temp array too. regards, Larry On 6/4/07, Michaël Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Sascha; > > Sounds interesting. > Please, let me some more time to have a closer look and see how

[JPP-Devel] Common Feature model

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Austin
I agree if the open source GIS community can agree on a single in memory Java representation for geographic features that would make all the tools more interoperable. Right now I'm using my own schema and feature model but would prefer not to maintain that in the future. Here are the requiremen

[JPP-Devel] Support for non-spatial features...

2007-06-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I thought I would start a new thread so we could split this apart from the discussion that Paul and Martin were having about the FeatureInfo tool. When I suggested that support for non-spatial features could be included in a plug-in Martin wrote: "I had similar thoughts a while back. In fact, the

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Davis
Good point, Michael, I should have mentioned the GeoTools Feature model as a possible direction as well. Definitely it would be a good thing to evolve in their direction. I'm not sure how stable or baked the GT Feature model design is, but as it happens I sit right next to one of the chief GT

Re: [JPP-Devel] R: FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Davis
Yes, definitely that would be cool. This would be equivalent to a defining a view in an RDBMS. Michaël Michaud wrote: > Sounds good, > > And what about having a way to join a spatial layer in OJ to a > non-spatial db table or view, and to see the whole result as one flat > layer in OJ... > > m

Re: [JPP-Devel] writing help for Openjump

2007-06-04 Thread Michaël Michaud
Hi Giuseppe, There is some JUMP's technical and user documentation on the original JUMP's site (a bit old but very nice), and a more recent tutorial for OpenJUMP you can download from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=118054 This OpenJUMP tutorial has been translated from ge

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Martin, You wrote: "Your suggestions for enhancing the FeatureInfoTable view all sound good to me, Paul. It's a nice idea to have different Geometry text renderers. I might even go further and define a simple framework for GeometryTextRenders, which could have different instantiations added in t

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Michaël Michaud
Hi Paul, Your feature info frame looks nice. The discussion you have with Martin is very interesting and very important as it is about JUMP's feature model. I just want to mention other discussions we had on this list about the interest to write bridges between JUMP's feature model and GeoTool's

Re: [JPP-Devel] Unstable branch of the OpenJUMP CVS...

2007-06-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
am involved in several > OS software development where this structure is quite common. > > To introduce this now would lead into adding a branch (release_1.2) of > the current HEAD. Perhaps it is not so difficult to set up nightly > builds from both HEAD and release-branch? > > Ju

Re: [JPP-Devel] R: FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Michaël Michaud
Sounds good, And what about having a way to join a spatial layer in OJ to a non-spatial db table or view, and to see the whole result as one flat layer in OJ... my two cents Michaël P.Rizzi Ag.Mobilità Ambiente a écrit : >Support for non-spatial DB tables would be a _great_ thing!!! >You can

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Austin
Hi Martin, I'm just working on a concept of a HtmlRenderer that will take an object and convert it to HTML for display in Swing HTML widgets. There will then be a HtmlRendererRegistry that will map from a Java Class to a renderer. When displayign features you would use the registry to get a re

Re: [JPP-Devel] R: FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Davis
All good points, Paolo. P.Rizzi Ag.Mobilità Ambiente wrote: > Support for non-spatial DB tables would be a _great_ thing!!! > You can do lots of thing with them (use attributes to theming other layers), > or you can even create geometries on the fly using some of their attributes > plus some Bea

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Davis
Agreed, I realize that you have to do some namespace mangling. It all comes down to how much coding you want to do to support your need. Supporting attributes which are lists of values is another story... It may be fine for your use case to simply display these as a String, but it would be n

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Davis
Your suggestions for enhancing the FeatureInfoTable view all sound good to me, Paul. It's a nice idea to have different Geometry text renderers. I might even go further and define a simple framework for GeometryTextRenders, which could have different instantiations added in the Registry. The

Re: [JPP-Devel] Unstable branch of the OpenJUMP CVS...

2007-06-04 Thread Stephan Holl
ture is quite common. To introduce this now would lead into adding a branch (release_1.2) of the current HEAD. Perhaps it is not so difficult to set up nightly builds from both HEAD and release-branch? Just my 0.02 ¢ Stephan "Sunburned Surveyor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [

Re: [JPP-Devel] Unstable branch of the OpenJUMP CVS...

2007-06-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I took some time to read over the chapter in the CVS manual on branching and merging. I have some comments now on the method I think we should use for the development branch in the OpenJUMP CVS. I believe that we should use the method described in Michael's option #3 in this thread. This is basica

Re: [JPP-Devel] R: Multiple Layers from the same database connection

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Austin
Stefan, Ignore my comment about SkyJump plugin's I was just using an older version of JUMP, now with the 1.2 pre release I see they are already there. Cheers, Paul Stefan Steiniger wrote: I did a one-to-one copy if i remember correctly (since i have no experiences with databases i would not

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Davis
Paul, If this is a question of modelling a single complex attribute which is in 1-1 relation with the parent feature, why don't you just present the attributes as a set of attributes on the parent feature? Granted this increases the column namespace a bit, but it doesn't require any additiona

Re: [JPP-Devel] FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Austin
Hi Martin, I've never been a fan of doing automated flattening of hierarchical data models as you either have to include a prefix on the attribute names or some other form of name mangling to avoid name collisions, also it doesn't cope well if you have parts of it that are optional or contain

[JPP-Devel] [ANN]: WFSPlugin 1.0.0 released

2007-06-04 Thread Stephan Holl
Hello OpenJUMP users, the development of a WFSPlugin has started in early april and a first version was given to the community recently. Now with this release we have have fullfilled the roadmap within this project and release the WFSPlugin as 1.0.0. There are lots of bugfixes and some new featu

[JPP-Devel] R: FeatureInfo table on steroids

2007-06-04 Thread P . Rizzi Ag . Mobilità Ambiente
Support for non-spatial DB tables would be a _great_ thing!!! You can do lots of thing with them (use attributes to theming other layers), or you can even create geometries on the fly using some of their attributes plus some BeanShell code, for example. Or they can be used to edit geometric layers

Re: [JPP-Devel] new files changelog, changes and todo on CVS

2007-06-04 Thread Sascha L. Teichmann
Hi, Michaël Michaud schrieb: > Hi, > > Thanks Stefan, > Is there a way to use sourceforge cvs log to help completing the > changelog file you just added ? There are several tools for this out there. cvs2cl.pl [1] e.g is working fine. But ones again: Writing a ChangeLog this way is only for the