Re: [issues] Re; Despotic Demographics

2000-01-02 Thread Jenn V.
Kathleen Weaver wrote: > > >Again, I understand that things have to start somewhere, and I would > >2) What are good ways to lower the cost of admission to the high-tech > >'club'? > > Start good programs in high school. Sadly few computer science teachers > are competent. Actually, this

Re: [issues] Re; Despotic Demographics

2000-01-02 Thread Jenn V.
Dan McGarry wrote: > > The social make-up of the open source > community is nearly identical to the social make-up of university computer > science classes. I'm an exception, and so is Dancer. So... > 1) Does high-tech always *require* an advanced education? No. Dancer doesn't have it - bu

[issues] Re; Despotic Demographics

2000-01-02 Thread Mary Wood
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bearing in mind that, rating myself from 1-10 on the experienced geek scale I'm at about a 2 1/2 (but climbing frantically!) >1) Does high-tech always *require* an advanced education? Not at all from my spot in the audience. As I read job posti

Re: [issues] Re; Despotic Demographics

2000-01-02 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 08:57:52 -0500 (EST), Deleria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >What surprised me at first was the large amount of critisism from my >female friends and family members. After sorting it out in my own >mind, I realized why: Women have come such a long way in fighting for >our rights to

Re: [issues] Re; Despotic Demographics

2000-01-02 Thread Kathleen Weaver
>Again, I understand that things have to start somewhere, and I would be the >last to suggest this group was lacking in sensitivity to others. I would >however point out that it would be a very good thing to have an offline >element that can support teachers like Kathleen in making sure that every

Re: [issues] Re; Despotic Demographics

2000-01-02 Thread Dan McGarry
I've been reading this thread with great interest. When I combined some of the insights put forward here with a demographic survey I saw the other day, I found an interesting correspondance: The social make-up of the open source community is nearly identical to the social make-up of university com

Re: [issues] Re; Despotic Demographics

2000-01-02 Thread Kathleen Weaver
>What surprised me at first was the large amount of critisism from my >female friends and family members. After sorting it out in my own mind, I >realized why: Women have come such a long way in fighting for our rights >to be equal that some are still afraid that women who chose to be in >traditio

Re: [issues] Re; Despotic Demographics

2000-01-02 Thread Deleria
On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Mary Wood wrote: The glass ceiling, as I see it, is 3-layered: > Visible, Invisible, and Imaginary. Granted, that is VERY snipped, but it was a long (but chocked full of quality discussion) message. I think many, many things that Mary said were very valid and well-put.