Re: [IPsec] Last minute change to draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2

2020-06-08 Thread Valery Smyslov
> > Hi Paul, > > > > I read this text as a caveat for implementers to not use > > keys which cannot provide enough entropy in any case (e.g. passwords). > > With this reading it's a text for implementers, not for users. > > If you read it that way, then I strongly recommend we put implementeren

Re: [IPsec] Early Allocation Request for IPTFS_PROTOCOL IP protocol number.

2020-06-08 Thread Steffen Klassert
On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 09:43:41PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Steffen Klassert wrote: > > This alterative usecase tries to solve the 'small packet' tunneling > > problem. Sending small packets over a tunnel usually creates quite a > > lot of overhead, as each packet needs

Re: [IPsec] Last minute change to draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2

2020-06-08 Thread Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
Tero had this comment (which didn't make it onto this mailing list): Btw, there is similar text in RFC7296 (base IKEv2) saying following: When using pre-shared keys, a critical consideration is how to assure the randomness of these secrets. The strongest practice is to ensure that

Re: [IPsec] Last minute change to draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2

2020-06-08 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Scott, I like this variant. Regards, Valery. From: IPsec [mailto:ipsec-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 6:06 PM To: ipsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [IPsec] Last minute change to draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2 Tero had this comment (whi

Re: [IPsec] Last minute change to draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2

2020-06-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) wrote: How about this text (which integrates suggestions both from the security considerations of both RFC7296 and the PPK text, while trying to not sound like Frankentext [1]. That is okay with me. And, I would agree with Valery; I also would pr

Re: [IPsec] Early Allocation Request for IPTFS_PROTOCOL IP protocol number.

2020-06-08 Thread Lou Berger
On 6/8/2020 7:05 AM, Steffen Klassert wrote: On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 09:43:41PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Steffen Klassert wrote: > This alterative usecase tries to solve the 'small packet' tunneling > problem. Sending small packets over a tunnel usually creates quite a