Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted

2010-03-25 Thread SeongHan Shin
Dear Yaron Sheffer, I have one question about the draft. draft-sheffer-ipsecme-pake-criteria-02.txt says in Page 4 “This document is limited to the use of password-based authentication to achieve trust between gateways” Is this a consensus of this WG? Best regards, Shin On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at

Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted

2010-03-25 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Shin, Yes. For the typical remote access VPN, EAP is typically more useful. Note that there is still need for strong password-based mutual authentication EAP methods - but their home is the EMU working group. In addition, the IPsecME has another charter item designed to fit such EAP metho

Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted

2010-03-25 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Shin, Yes. For the typical remote access VPN, EAP is typically more useful. Note that there is still need for strong password-based mutual authentication EAP methods - but their home is the EMU working group. In addition, the IPsecME has another charter item designed to fit such EAP metho

Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted

2010-03-25 Thread SeongHan Shin
Thank you for your kind explanation. Best regards, Shin On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > Hi Shin, > > Yes. For the typical remote access VPN, EAP is typically more useful. Note > that there is still need for strong password-based mutual authentication EAP > methods - but

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-25 Thread Yoav Nir
Hi Dan I am not trying to create a complete taxonomy of cluster types. I should also note that we don't really have a term for a single "thing" that does IKE and IPsec. Our documents use terms like "gateway" and "peer", but "gateway" does not encompass VPN clients and hosts, and "peer" is not j

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-25 Thread Tero Kivinen
Yoav Nir writes: > I am not trying to create a complete taxonomy of cluster types. I think it is worth adding more defined terms, just to show which we are not talking about too. > I should also note that we don't really have a term for a single > "thing" that does IKE and IPsec. Our documents u

Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted (def. of gateway)

2010-03-25 Thread Kaz Kobara
Hi Yaron > draft-sheffer-ipsecme-pake-criteria-02.txt says in Page 4 > "This document is limited to the use of password-based authentication to > achieve trust between gateways" I would like to make sure that "gateway" in this document does not encompass VPN clients and hosts, right? Kaz >

Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted (def. of gateway)

2010-03-25 Thread Dan Harkins
On the contrary, I would like to see no notion of "clients", "hosts", and "gateways" at all. There is no reason why this technique could not be used in any of the use cases in IKEv2. And such a statement certainly does not belong in a document that supposedly deals with criteria upon which a

Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted (def. of gateway)

2010-03-25 Thread Yaron Sheffer
As I mentioned in my previous mail, the document attempts to follow the use cases as agreed in the charter. For the remote access case, there are clear benefits to having a separate AAA server, and EAP has been adopted by multiple protocols including IKEv2. I don't see a reason to open this de

Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted (def. of gateway)

2010-03-25 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Kaz, I *thought* my intention was clear: "between gateways" as opposed to "between clients and gateways". So your assertion is correct. Thanks, Yaron On 26.3.2010 1:40, Kaz Kobara wrote: Hi Yaron draft-sheffer-ipsecme-pake-criteria-02.txt says in Page 4 "This document is limited

Re: [IPsec] New PAKE Criteria draft posted

2010-03-25 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Shin, Yes. For the typical remote access VPN, EAP is typically more useful. Note that there is still need for strong password-based mutual authentication EAP methods - but their home is the EMU working group. In addition, the IPsecME has another charter item designed to fit such EAP metho