Re: [IPsec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-04.txt

2010-01-28 Thread Tero Kivinen
Jack Kohn writes: > Do folks have to implement this RFC since its of the INFORMATIONAL > type? No, and same applies to WESP. You need either (or both) them only and only if you operate in enviroments where they are suitable, and where you require features provided by them. > If Yes, then i would

Re: [IPsec] IKEv2-bis comments: 2.17 and onwards (#170)

2010-01-28 Thread Pasi.Eronen
Tero Kivinen wrote: > pasi.ero...@nokia.com writes: > > Paul Hoffman wrote: > > > > > >B.1 (Group 1): We may want to add: "Use of this group is NOT > > > RECOMMENDED." > > > > > > Please open a tracker issue for this. Even though this is obvious, > > > it is a tad late to be suggesting new normativ

Re: [IPsec] RFC5555 and Section 2.23.1 (was: IKEv2bis, comments about sections 1-2)

2010-01-28 Thread Pasi.Eronen
Tero Kivinen wrote: > > > What kind of things does the RFC require? > > > > Basically, it's assuming that even if you're running IKEv2 over IPv4 > > (and that IPv4 address is NATted), you can still negotiate transport > > mode SAs for IPv6 addresses (which won't get NATted). > > Hmm Let m

Re: [IPsec] AD review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-03

2010-01-28 Thread pasi.ero...@nokia.com
Tero Kivinen wrote: > > - Section 8.1: AUTH_HMAC_MD5_128 and AUTH_HMAC_SHA1_160 are not > > defined for IPsec ESP; these algorithms apply only to the > > FiberChannel security protocols. So they should be removed from > > this list (and since this was the only algorithm with 160-bit ICV, > > handl

Re: [IPsec] RFC5555 and Section 2.23.1 (was: IKEv2bis, comments about sections 1-2)

2010-01-28 Thread Tero Kivinen
pasi.ero...@nokia.com writes: > > -- > > 2.11. Address and Port Agility > > > >IKE runs over UDP ports 500 and 4500, and implicitly sets up ESP and > >AH associations for the same IP addresses it runs over. > > --

Re: [IPsec] RFC5555 and Section 2.23.1 (was: IKEv2bis, comments about sections 1-2)

2010-01-28 Thread Pasi.Eronen
Hi Tero, RFC 4555 Appendix A.2 has more text discussing this topic (when you need to create a new ESP/AH SA, how do you know where to send the IKE packets). It basically concluded this is beyond the scope of the spec, and could be very simple (e.g. just configure a single IP address somewhere), or

Re: [IPsec] AD review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-03

2010-01-28 Thread Tero Kivinen
pasi.ero...@nokia.com writes: > Tero Kivinen wrote: > > > > - Section 8.1: AUTH_HMAC_MD5_128 and AUTH_HMAC_SHA1_160 are not > > > defined for IPsec ESP; these algorithms apply only to the > > > FiberChannel security protocols. So they should be removed from > > > this list (and since this was the

[IPsec] Closing issue #143 (rewrite of section 1.5)

2010-01-28 Thread Yoav Nir
Hi all. Combining Pasi's proposed text with Tero's comments I came up with this version. Is this acceptable to everyone? Yoav There are couple of cases when a node receives a packet it cannot process, but may want to notify the sender about this situation: o If an ESP or AH packet ar

[IPsec] Closing Issue #146 - Encapsulation wording

2010-01-28 Thread Yoav Nir
Hi all The "offending" paragraph is the following; An initiator can use port 4500, regardless whether or not there is NAT, even at the beginning of IKE. When either side is using port 4500, sending with UDP encapsulation is not required, but understanding received packets with UDP en

Re: [IPsec] AD review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-03

2010-01-28 Thread Pasi.Eronen
Tero Kivinen wrote: > > > > - Section 2.1, suggesting that AH might have more bugs doesn't > > > > sound > > > > like an argument that belongs in this document. > > > > > > It was one of the arguments which was given when people said why > > > they do not want to use AH. > > > > Nevertheless, as i

Re: [IPsec] AD review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-03 -- TCP flags

2010-01-28 Thread Tero Kivinen
Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= writes: > and later: > >[...] Routers MUST NOT drop > packets merely because one or more of these reserved bits has a > non-zero value. This and Pasi's comments were strong enough, so I removed offending check of

Re: [IPsec] AD review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-03

2010-01-28 Thread Tero Kivinen
pasi.ero...@nokia.com writes: > I'm OK with either one (but AH is a very stable and mature protocol, > so while it's not as widely used, I would expect the level of testing > has been quite substantial...). I think I last tested AH in interop events in San-Diego interop 2000 or so. We might have d

[IPsec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-05.txt

2010-01-28 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Security Maintenance and Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Heuristics for Detecting ESP-NULL packets Author(s) : T. Kivinen, D. McDonald

Re: [IPsec] AD review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-03

2010-01-28 Thread Pasi.Eronen
> Ok, I will send new one now (hopefully I do not need to update xml2rfc > again this time, I did it already yesterday :-) Thanks -- I've now asked the secretariat to start the IETF Last Call. Best regards, Pasi ___ IPsec mailing list IPsec@ietf.org htt

[IPsec] Closing issue #143 (rewrite of section 1.5)

2010-01-28 Thread Tero Kivinen
Yoav Nir writes: > Is this acceptable to everyone? Couple of comments. >There are couple of cases when a node receives a packet it cannot >process, but may want to notify the sender about this situation: > >o If an ESP or AH packet arrives with an unrecognized SPI, it > could

[IPsec] Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics (Heuristics for Detecting ESP-NULL packets) to Informational RFC

2010-01-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IP Security Maintenance and Extensions WG (ipsecme) to consider the following document: - 'Heuristics for Detecting ESP-NULL packets ' as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this

[IPsec] DHCP over IPSEC

2010-01-28 Thread suni kumar
hello My name is suneel kumar,i want some information regarding dhcp over ipsec,and functionality dhcp relay in a gateway ___ IPsec mailing list IPsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec

[IPsec] DHCP over IPSEC

2010-01-28 Thread suni kumar
As the sender address isn't subscribed to the list, and has not been confirmed earlier, we have to request a confirmation of the address. To confirm the address, send a message to ip...@core3.amsl.com, with the same subject line as this message. ___ IPsec