Re: [IPsec] revisiting 3DES and -graveyard

2020-04-21 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020, Dan Brown wrote: [DB] Last week, I looked up what NIST documents say about 3DES. https://csrc.nist.gov/publications/detail/sp/800-131a/rev-2/final If I read them correctly, this document implies something like: - NO: new deployment of 3DES - OK: old deployment of 3DES encryp

Re: [IPsec] revisiting 3DES and -graveyard

2020-04-21 Thread Dan Brown
Minor points about 3DES below (likely redundant). > -Original Message- > From: IPsec On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz > > Just as an aside thought about 3DES: > > perhaps you saw my questions to the CFRG list where I have exactly 64 bits > to > encrypt and no place for an IV or such. > > On

Re: [IPsec] revisiting 3DES and -graveyard

2020-04-20 Thread Michael Richardson
Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >> The last time I have seen 3DES configured was for site-to-site VPNs between >> different (medical!) enterprises because neither side could be sure what the >> other side had, and equipment was old. They didn't dare change the configuration, or >> repla

Re: [IPsec] revisiting 3DES and -graveyard

2020-04-20 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Thanks all for the responses; this helps me get a better picture of the state of things and our future direction! On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:03:49AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > I see in > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/minutes-1

Re: [IPsec] revisiting 3DES and -graveyard

2020-04-17 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Just as an aside thought about 3DES: perhaps you saw my questions to the CFRG list where I have exactly 64 bits to encrypt and no place for an IV or such. One of the serious suggestions WAS 3DES with 3 keys. For a number of reasons I am not offering that in the initial ID, rather AES-CFB16..

Re: [IPsec] revisiting 3DES and -graveyard

2020-04-15 Thread Michael Richardson
Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > I see in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/minutes-104-ipsecme-00 > that we didn't want to get rid of 3DES at that time. Do we have a sense > for how quickly that will change, the scope of existing deployments, > etc.? > In part

Re: [IPsec] revisiting 3DES and -graveyard

2020-04-14 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: I see in https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/minutes-104-ipsecme-00 that we didn't want to get rid of 3DES at that time. Do we have a sense for how quickly that will change, the scope of existing deployments, etc.? 3DES is already defi