Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-25 Thread Tero Kivinen
Yoav Nir writes: > I am not trying to create a complete taxonomy of cluster types. I think it is worth adding more defined terms, just to show which we are not talking about too. > I should also note that we don't really have a term for a single > "thing" that does IKE and IPsec. Our documents u

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-25 Thread Yoav Nir
Hi Dan I am not trying to create a complete taxonomy of cluster types. I should also note that we don't really have a term for a single "thing" that does IKE and IPsec. Our documents use terms like "gateway" and "peer", but "gateway" does not encompass VPN clients and hosts, and "peer" is not j

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-24 Thread Raj Singh
+1 I agree with Dan. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: > > On Tue, March 23, 2010 7:24 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> "hot standby" implies a box sitting ("hot") twiddling its thumbs doing > >> little bu

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-24 Thread Melinda Shore
On Tue, March 23, 2010 11:46 pm, Dan Harkins wrote: > Of course it's not the only reason. But you're missing the point. The > point is that the reason doesn't matter! You want to describe a particular > reason-- the "master" crashed and all state went over to the "hot > standby"-- > not the gener

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-24 Thread Dan Harkins
On Tue, March 23, 2010 7:24 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> "hot standby" implies a box sitting ("hot") twiddling its thumbs doing >> little but waiting for another box to fail ("standby"). It's the VRRP >> model. > > And that's exactly w

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Yoav Nir
On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: > > Hi, > > "hot standby" implies a box sitting ("hot") twiddling its thumbs doing > little but waiting for another box to fail ("standby"). It's the VRRP > model. And that's exactly what I want to describe. Well, not twiddling its thumbs. The

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Dan Harkins
Hi, "hot standby" implies a box sitting ("hot") twiddling its thumbs doing little but waiting for another box to fail ("standby"). It's the VRRP model. There is a HA model which supports dynamic load balancing as well as active session failover. Nodes in such a cluster are not "standby". T

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Yoav Nir
On Mar 23, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On Tue, March 23, 2010 1:20 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: >> - For the cluster with just one member doing IKE and IPsec, I propose >> "hot-standby cluster" >> - For the cluster with several members doing IKE and IPsec, I propose to >> keep "load-sharing cl

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Rodney Van Meter
On Mar 24, 2010, at 6:31 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: On Tue, March 23, 2010 1:20 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: - For the cluster with just one member doing IKE and IPsec, I propose "hot-standby cluster" - For the cluster with several members doing IKE and IPsec, I propose to keep "load-sharing cluster"

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Melinda Shore
On Tue, March 23, 2010 1:20 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: > - For the cluster with just one member doing IKE and IPsec, I propose > "hot-standby cluster" > - For the cluster with several members doing IKE and IPsec, I propose to > keep "load-sharing cluster" I think "failover" is in broader use than "hot st

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Rodney Van Meter
On Mar 24, 2010, at 6:20 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: - For the cluster with just one member doing IKE and IPsec, I propose "hot-standby cluster" - For the cluster with several members doing IKE and IPsec, I propose to keep "load-sharing cluster" Is this fine with everyone? I'm good with that,

[IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Yoav Nir
And thank you for taking the time, Rod. The linktionary has a pretty good definition, though I don't know if it counts as "textbook". Same for Wikipedia http://www.linktionary.com/f/fault_tolerance.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault-tolerant_system Anyway, we need to limit the scope of this