Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-02-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 7:44 PM +0200 2/8/10, Tero Kivinen wrote: >Paul Hoffman writes: >> Tero's proposed tree structure would not fit in an RFC without >> trimming even more, making it even less readable. I have used >> Alfred's proposed layout, but I changed the example to match it. > >I think we could add some grap

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-02-08 Thread Tero Kivinen
Paul Hoffman writes: > Tero's proposed tree structure would not fit in an RFC without > trimming even more, making it even less readable. I have used > Alfred's proposed layout, but I changed the example to match it. I think we could add some graphic lines to make it even more easier, and if we us

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-02-07 Thread Paul Hoffman
Tero's proposed tree structure would not fit in an RFC without trimming even more, making it even less readable. I have used Alfred's proposed layout, but I changed the example to match it. Please: read the example and make sure that the illustration is correct: For example, one such proposa

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-26 Thread Pasi.Eronen
e: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a > diagram > > Yoav Nir writes: > > I'm sorry I just noticed this, but is this even allowed? Can you > > include multiple key length attributes in the same transform? > > Yes, you are right, you cannot include multiple

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-25 Thread Tero Kivinen
Yoav Nir writes: > I'm sorry I just noticed this, but is this even allowed? Can you > include multiple key length attributes in the same transform? Yes, you are right, you cannot include multiple key length attributes, as they would be AND for all of them. So yes, they need to be separate transfo

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-25 Thread Yoav Nir
On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > The text in 3.3 requires "peace of mind" to fully appreciate. A diagram might > be helpful. > > Here's a first shot (we'll need to add some descriptive text): > >SA Payload >| >

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-25 Thread Tero Kivinen
Paul Hoffman writes: > Ditto for Proposal #2: is there a good reason for you to not have > included an INTEG transform? Proposal #2 is the combined mode cipher, thus it cannot have INTEG other than none, and I though we agreed that it would be better to leave the whole INTEG transform out in those

[IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-25 Thread Tero Kivinen
Yaron Sheffer writes: > The text in 3.3 requires "peace of mind" to fully appreciate. A diagram might > be helpful. > > Here's a first shot (we'll need to add some descriptive text): > > SA Payload > | > ---...

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-25 Thread Yaron Sheffer
e; however, other proposals in the same SA payload are processed as usual." Thanks, Yaron > -Original Message- > From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.hoff...@vpnc.org] > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 21:19 > To: Yaron Sheffer; ipsec@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [IPsec]

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-24 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Paul, Paul Hoffman writes: > > > Ditto for Proposal #2: is there a good reason for you to not have > >> included an INTEG transform? > >I was trying to illustrate a combined mode algorithm. May have got it wrong... > > That would be INTEG = NULL. Omitting it completely is also allowed (section

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-23 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 8:06 PM +0200 1/23/10, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > > Further, is there a good reason for you to have not included an ESN >> transform on Proposal #1? Section 3.3 says "The number of different >> transforms is generally determined by the Protocol. ... ESP generally >> has three: ESN, an encryption alg

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-23 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Paul, Please see below. > -Original Message- > From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.hoff...@vpnc.org] > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:28 > To: Yaron Sheffer; ipsec@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a > diagram > > A

Re: [IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 11:57 PM +0200 1/22/10, Yaron Sheffer wrote: >The text in 3.3 requires "peace of mind" to fully appreciate. A diagram might >be helpful. > >Here's a first shot (we'll need to add some descriptive text): > >SA Payload >| >

[IPsec] Issue #157: Illustrate the SA payload with a diagram

2010-01-22 Thread Yaron Sheffer
The text in 3.3 requires "peace of mind" to fully appreciate. A diagram might be helpful. Here's a first shot (we'll need to add some descriptive text): SA Payload | ---- |