On 28/04/2016 17:37, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > All the internally-emulated devices *can* be either translated or
> > untranslated. That's just a matter of software. Surely, you currently
> > *can't* have translated assigned devices (until someone implements the
> > whole VT-d page table shado
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 04:48:25PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 18:37 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > OK, so for intel, it seems that it's enough to set
> > pdev->dev.archdata.iommu = DUMMY_DEVICE_DOMAIN_INFO;
> > for the device.
>
> Yes, currently. Although that'
On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 18:37 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> OK, so for intel, it seems that it's enough to set
> pdev->dev.archdata.iommu = DUMMY_DEVICE_DOMAIN_INFO;
> for the device.
Yes, currently. Although that's vile. In fact what we *want* to happen
is for the intel-iommu code simply
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 04:11:54PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 17:34 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > I see work-arounds for broken IOMMUs but not for
> > individual devices. Could you point me to a more specific
> > example?
>
> I think the closest example is probabl
On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 17:34 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> I see work-arounds for broken IOMMUs but not for
> individual devices. Could you point me to a more specific
> example?
I think the closest example is probably quirk_ioat_snb_local_iommu().
If we see this particular device, we *know*
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 08:16:57PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-04-27 at 21:17 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >
> > > Because it's a dirty hack in the *wrong* place.
> >
> > No one came up with a better one so far :(
>
> Seriously?
>
> Take a look at drivers/iommu/intel-iomm
On Wed, 2016-04-27 at 21:17 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>
> > Because it's a dirty hack in the *wrong* place.
>
> No one came up with a better one so far :(
Seriously?
Take a look at drivers/iommu/intel-iommu.c. It has quirks for all kinds
of shitty devices that have to be put in passthrou
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:15:35PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-04-27 at 18:05 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >
> > I really don't get it.
> >
> > There's exactly one device that works now and needs the work-around and
> > so that we need to support, and that is virtio. It hap
On Wed, 2016-04-27 at 18:05 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>
> I really don't get it.
>
> There's exactly one device that works now and needs the work-around and
> so that we need to support, and that is virtio. It happens to have
> exactly the same issue on all platforms.
False. We have other
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:54 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 07:43:07AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 07:31:43AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:23 AM,
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:58:51PM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 05:54:57PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > Point is, QEMU is not the only virtio implementation out there.
> > So we can't know no virtio implementations have an IOMMU as long as
> > linux supports this IOM
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:23:32PM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:37:04PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > One correction: it's a feature of the device in the system.
> > There could be a mix of devices bypassing and not
> > bypassing the IOMMU.
>
> No, it really is no
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:56:32PM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 05:34:30PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:23:32PM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
>
> > QEMU can choose to bypass IOMMU for one device and not the other.
> > IOMMU in QEMU isn't invo
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 05:54:57PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> Point is, QEMU is not the only virtio implementation out there.
> So we can't know no virtio implementations have an IOMMU as long as
> linux supports this IOMMU.
> virtio always used physical addresses since it was born and if i
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 05:34:30PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:23:32PM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> QEMU can choose to bypass IOMMU for one device and not the other.
> IOMMU in QEMU isn't involved when it's bypassed.
And it is QEMU's task to tell the OS, right? A
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 07:43:07AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 07:31:43AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:37:04PM +0
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 07:31:43AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Joerg Roedel wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:37:04PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> >> One correction: it's a feature of th
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 07:31:43AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:37:04PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> One correction: it's a feature of the device in the system.
> >> There could be a mix of devices bypa
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:37:04PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> One correction: it's a feature of the device in the system.
>> There could be a mix of devices bypassing and not
>> bypassing the IOMMU.
>
> No, it really is not. A device
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 04:37:04PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> One correction: it's a feature of the device in the system.
> There could be a mix of devices bypassing and not
> bypassing the IOMMU.
No, it really is not. A device can't chose to bypass the IOMMU. But the
IOMMU can chose to le
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 01:18:21PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
>
> > > On some systems, including Xen and any system with a physical device
> > > that speaks virtio behind a physical IOMMU, we must use the DMA API
> > > for virtio DMA to work at all.
> > >
> > > Add a feature bit to detect that
> > On some systems, including Xen and any system with a physical device
> > that speaks virtio behind a physical IOMMU, we must use the DMA API
> > for virtio DMA to work at all.
> >
> > Add a feature bit to detect that: VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM.
> >
> > If not there, we preserve historic behavi
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