[PHP-DEV] Native SSL support in Phar extension

2024-08-26 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, There came up another idea/issue about the Phar extension and its native SSL support. As you might know or not, when building PHP: ./configure --with-openssl --enable-phar the Phar extension will get so-called native SSL enabled through OpenSSL directly. However, when built like this: .

Re: [PHP-DEV] Native SSL support in Phar extension

2024-08-26 Thread Peter Kokot
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 at 20:05, Calvin Buckley wrote: > As such, it might be a bit tricky for people on Windows/AIX; the easiest > solution if PHAR is using the openssl extension's symbols would be to not > build the openssl extension as shared. I've just checked Windows build and the PHP downloade

Re: [PHP-DEV] Where to document configuration option changes?

2024-09-04 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 4 Sept 2024 at 15:07, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > > Hi all, > > that issue came up the other day on a pull request[1], but since it is > not particularly related to any single PR, I wanted to ask here for > clarification. > > This is about changes to `./configure` options of php-src, and

Re: [PHP-DEV] Moving PHP internals to GitHub

2023-04-12 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 15:53, Alex Wells wrote: > > Hey. > > PHP currently uses internals@lists.php.net for communication. That includes > mostly RFCs (or their votings, or their pre-discussion) and sometimes > questions about the implementation or possible bugs. > > While emailing definitely work

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] PHP Technical Committee

2023-04-29 Thread Peter Kokot
On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 at 12:01, Jakub Zelenka wrote: > > Hi, > > The vote is now open for the RFC about introduction of the PHP Technical > Committee: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php_technical_committee > > Regards > > Jakub It would be also good to know why people vote no. -- PHP Internals - PH

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE] Interface Default Methods

2023-07-11 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 at 13:37, Levi Morrison wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 6:11 PM Levi Morrison wrote: > > > > Chatter on the [Interface Default Methods RFC][1] has been quiet for > > the past 6 days, and the feature freeze deadline is fast approaching > > for PHP 8.3, so I'm moving this to v

Re: [PHP-DEV] Removing support for the disable_classes INI setting

2023-08-15 Thread Peter Kokot
On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 16:18, G. P. B. wrote: > Hello internals, > > While working on some DNF type bugs, I discovered some major issues around > the disable_classes INI setting implementation. Such as: > > - A double-free of the type of a typed property > - A use after free (which segfaults) whe

Re: [PHP-DEV] Breakages with rc1

2023-09-05 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 5 Sept 2023 at 11:40, Hanz wrote: > Hello, > > Ran into a couple of issues with RC1 that I haven't seen online. > > With --with-pear: The --with-pear option is deprecated > > With --enable-pear: configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --enable-pear > > I'm using --disable-all as the fir

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [External] : [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] Unbundle ext/imap, ext/pspell, ext/oci8, and ext/PDO_OCI

2023-11-02 Thread Peter Kokot
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:02, Christopher Jones wrote: > > On 2/11/2023 2:46 am, Derick Rethans wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have just opened voting on the RFC to unbundle imap, pspell, and > > oracle integrations. > > :) > > -- > https://twitter.com/ghrd > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Developme

Re: [PHP-DEV] php-src docs

2024-03-05 Thread Peter Kokot
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 at 12:13, Ilija Tovilo wrote: > > Hi Yuya > > It seems you accidentally sent your response to me instead of the list. > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 5:10 PM youkidearitai wrote: > > > > 2024年2月11日(日) 21:18 Ilija Tovilo : > > > > > > Hi everyone. > > > > > > I would like to start

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-03-15 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 01:27, wrote: > > > The VSC part from github (hosting our code), can very easily be ported. > > Issues, discussions etc can not. > > > > With the ongoing enshittification of most of the Internet due to > > advertising and tracking, we'd be negligent not hosting and owning o

Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC][Vote] grapheme_cluster for str_split, grapheme_str_split function

2024-03-26 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 at 06:41, youkidearitai wrote: > > Hi, Internals > > Sorry I mistake. > Send again. > > grapheme_str_split going to "Voting" phase. > Vote end is 10th April 00:00 GMT > > Regards > Yuya > > -- > --- > Yuya Hamada (tekimen) > - https://tekitoh-memdhoi.inf

[PHP-DEV] GitHub milestones

2024-03-27 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, I was wondering if it would be useful to add GitHub milestones for the PHP-8.4 and PHP-9.0 (or PHP-next or something like this)? https://github.com/php/php-src/milestones Because some pull requests might target versions after the PHP-8.4 and it might be useful to have them additionally sor

[PHP-DEV] Bumping minimum PostgreSQL version to 10.0

2024-06-14 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, we're thinking of bumping the minimum PostgreSQL version supported by PHP from current version 9.1 to version 10.0: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/14540 A list of PostgreSQL versions and their EOL dates can be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL The versions coverage by

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bumping minimum PostgreSQL version to 10.0

2024-06-17 Thread Peter Kokot
On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 18:58, Pierre wrote: > > Would id affect the possibility to use an old PostgreSQL (eg. 9.6) via > PHP (PDO or ext-pgsql) ? > > If so, it might be a dangerous move for oldest projects, you sometime > can upgrade PHP and your software easily, but can't upgrade the database > s

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bumping minimum PostgreSQL version to 10.0

2024-06-17 Thread Peter Kokot
On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 19:16, Matteo Beccati wrote: > > Hi, > > Il 17/06/2024 19:03, Peter Kokot ha scritto: > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 18:58, Pierre wrote: > >> > >> Would id affect the possibility to use an old PostgreSQL (eg. 9.6) via > >> PHP (PDO

[PHP-DEV] Bumping minimum Apache version to 2.4

2024-06-29 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, Perhaps you're not aware that the PHP build system currently still supports building apache2handler SAPI for Apache 2.0 and 2.2 branches. Apache 2.2 has been marked as EOL in December 2017 and doesn't receive security patches. Also, most Linux distributions and packages mostly support 2.4 a

[PHP-DEV] Support for pkg-config .pc files

2024-07-04 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, There is another pull request in preparation that I'd like to squeeze in the PHP-8.4 branch if it will possible to wrap it up until the feature freeze milestone: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/13755 In short, pkg-config is *nix command line utility to query installed libraries on the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Sync CODEOWNERS

2024-07-18 Thread Peter Kokot
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024, 16:32 Ilija Tovilo, wrote: > Hi Christoph > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 2:09 PM Christoph M. Becker > wrote: > > > > So I suggest to sync CODEOWNERS for all active branches (and maybe even > > security branches). > > > > What do you think? > > I think back when it was introduc

Re: [PHP-DEV] Require C11 in PHP 8.4

2024-08-06 Thread Peter Kokot
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 at 19:15, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > But what about other compilers we support on non Windows platforms > currently, like clang, Apple's clang, Solaris Studio and maybe some more > we don't even know about. Might be worth noting here that from what I've tested so far that PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Anyone willing to help out 3v4l ?

2024-08-12 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 at 01:57, Juliette Reinders Folmer wrote: > > Hi all, > > I suppose everyone is aware of 3v4l.org and a lot of us use it on a regular > basis. > > 3v4l also auto-builds the PHP "master" branch every night to allow for > testing with the latest and greatest PHP version and com

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Old branches

2019-02-14 Thread Peter Kokot
no commit. > > -- > Christoph M. Becker > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > +1 Yes, please... For a better overview of these: https://github.com/php/php-src/branches/stale?page=12 -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: phpenmod/phpdismod

2019-02-19 Thread Peter Kokot
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 23:39 Legale.legale I have made super simple OS independent phpenmod. > > Https://github.com/legale/phpenmod > On Feb 18, 2019 23:31, Gabriel Ostrolucky wrote: > > > > I'm fan of this idea. I miss this in any other non-debian distro. > > What nobody mentioned yet, similar scr

Re: [PHP-DEV] print with newline

2019-03-03 Thread Peter Kokot
ult functionality of echo in PHP is like changing left-hand traffic countries to use right-hand traffic. A new function name would be needed for that. You can start with creating an extension for this... But with this level of communication? Hm... -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.4 Release Manager Selection

2019-03-06 Thread Peter Kokot
ers > Joe > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 10:39, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > > > Den ons. 6. mar. 2019 kl. 11.03 skrev Nikita Popov : > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 6:20 AM Sebastian Bergmann > > wrote: > > > > > > > Am 06.0

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate short_open_tag ini directive?

2019-03-12 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 at 10:51, Rowan Collins wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 20:06, G. P. B. wrote: > > > From my understanding, the ` > so maybe we should deprecate PHP's short tag altogether? > > > > > I think when that's been proposed in the past, people have said they like > it for us

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate short_open_tag ini directive?

2019-03-12 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 at 12:15, Alexandru Pătrănescu wrote: > > Hi, > > I guess that `short_open_tag` ini settings can be deprecated/removed. > But that would mean that short open tags will be always available, not that > it will be removed. > > Regards, > Alex Oh, the main idea is to remove the in

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate short_open_tag ini directive?

2019-03-12 Thread Peter Kokot
ttp://www.php.net/unsub.php > In reality if developer wants to write "portable" and proper PHP code, no one actually should use these short tags anymore. If they are still used somewhere as part of some legacy code, they won't work on majority of PHP installations anymore because th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate short_open_tag ini directive? PHP internals

2019-03-15 Thread Peter Kokot
hout opening tag might go through also. After all, text files are simple. Something on this was already being done and probably also discussed: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags On the other hand, shebangs will still be present in CLI scripts. For example: #!/usr/bin/env php -- Peter Kokot --

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] JIT

2019-03-23 Thread Peter Kokot
ould be also about removing deprecated functionality. This approach is actually following semver https://semver.org, so that's all good I think. In any case if we will need to wait more than another year or not, thank you for your great work. Thumbs up. :) -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Unbundle ext/interbase

2019-03-24 Thread Peter Kokot
oving deprecated usage from their code and move to something else. Not that they will have an option to install it over PECL in PHP 8.0... Is this ok approach for this case? Because with this approach PHP is also saying quietly that PECL is a museum for extensions and not a place for developing them

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-03-25 Thread Peter Kokot
simplify things more. There are only two tags really needed in PHP templating engines https://fb.com/groups/2204685680/permalink/10157687999015681/ Best regards. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] [Result] JIT

2019-03-29 Thread Peter Kokot
eeper integration of JIT with VM. > > > Thanks. Dmitry. Great. No rush, we now have more than a year until Jit will be happening then :) Otherwise, I'm really looking forward seeing this in action. Thank you for the splendid work. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Develo

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 8 Preview Releases

2019-03-29 Thread Peter Kokot
rs is to have Docker image(s) available or even some Linux packages. Also, practice shows that the dev branch in state before the few months prior to the releases contains really a lot of bugs and also build system bugs that normal users will have serious issues setting this up. If Linux packagers and 3rd party repository maintainers can help here, that would be also one way to go since PHP seems to be very far away from doing such steps on the php.net side... But to have PHP 8.0.0alpha1 version available at this and this date before the PHP 7.4 release is quite challenging for all, I think. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] Required Make version

2019-04-14 Thread Peter Kokot
ments... Thank you. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Arrow functions / short closures

2019-04-18 Thread Peter Kokot
originally proposed. > > Regards, > Nikita Thanks for the RFC. The status of the document should be probably updated from "Status: Under Discussion" to "Status: Voting" -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-04-24 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 13:29, G. P. B. wrote: > > Hello Internal, > > The two weeks of voting have now ended. > The results are 38 for and 18 against (total 56) for the primary vote to > deprecate PHP's short open tag in PHP 7.4. > This passes in favor with 68%. > > The results are 42 for

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-04-24 Thread Peter Kokot
/to/php/files/with/short/tags And then actually replacing them (without dry run): php-cs-fixer fix --rules=full_opening_tag --diff /path/to/php/files/with/short/tags -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-04-24 Thread Peter Kokot
; On Wed, 24 Apr 2019, 19:10 Christian Schneider, > > > > > wrote: > > > > Am 24.04.2019 um 19:01 schrieb Peter Kokot : > > > > > just a friendly reminder that by the time one writes an email here > > > > > these tags can be already replaced

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-04-24 Thread Peter Kokot
anymore neither people coding in PHP are using these anymore for a very long time. If they postpone upgrades and neglect good coding practices, nothing can help them improve or fix their apps. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Alternative approach to short tags deprecation

2019-04-25 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 09:15, Nikita Popov wrote: > > Hi internals, > > As already discussed in the corresponding voting thread, the deprecation of > short tags as proposed has a high risk of causing inadvertent source code > leakage. The RFC proposes to change the default of short_open_ta

Re: [PHP-DEV] Required Make version

2019-04-25 Thread Peter Kokot
ussion. And besides, the cmake build system could even be done as a separate project out of php for starters if anyone might be interested in doing that. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Retiring PHP's Mirror Program

2019-04-27 Thread Peter Kokot
t php.net without www. Worth noting that now both domains result in 200 OK (previously there was a redirection done from php.net to www.php.net): curl -IL https://www.php.net curl -IL https://php.net Thank you... -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscri

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-04-28 Thread Peter Kokot
ng that the legacy apps will work ok on PHP 8.0 also met) - Actual removal in PHP 9 (because this is then the logical next step). Removing something like this in PHP 8.1 is not following semantic versioning at all. Either removal in 8.0 or 9.0. Cheers and thanks. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PH

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-04-30 Thread Peter Kokot
how to remove them. In PHP 8.0 directly as is now the result of this RFC or in PHP 9.0 removal and in PHP 8.0 using a compilation error. Anything in between is a more or less a revert of the original RFC which would then come to a question of why making these RFCs at all and why voting even matters. Without these kind of "hacks" PHP wouldn't even move forward anymore. Contributing to it would be in most cases only maintenance, fixing bugs and compatibility with platforms out there. So nothing exciting anymore like making it more syntactically correct, more logical etc. (these are very important changes also beside new functionality and extensions). -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-04-30 Thread Peter Kokot
something in these tags anymore. Well, obviously this might be for someone else a problem on a scale of an elephant, that I don't know and probably won't understand fully. But, also at least now this discussion and also RFC brought this thing out - short open tags shouldn't be used

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Vote] Change the precedence of the concatenation operator

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Kokot
ed with BC break effect in major release, the deprecation warning is self-evident and therefore I'm not sure why the additional vote here. Because again, an edge case scenario we could get a changed functionality in PHP 8 and no warning in PHP 7.4. Just as an example and a bit of an additional info h

Re: [PHP-DEV] 2016 TestFest, did the tests written then ever get merged?

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Kokot
x27;s very simple (and in most cases hopefully welcoming enough) to send your pull request there. If not ping me up to check your pull requests per manual basis. A friendly nudge to the organizers... Next time, don't be shy and please please avoid doing forks of this repo and let's do the noi

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Docker images

2019-05-10 Thread Peter Kokot
ill get worse actually from release to release each year if we don't start refactoring some things. And the manual for the installation of PHP that doesn't mention such options (but on the other hand mentions installing PHP on servers that are dead for decade) is also another story t

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Docker images

2019-05-11 Thread Peter Kokot
On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 06:12, Pierre Joye wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019, 2:06 PM Peter Kokot wrote: > > > > > The images for such C software are one of the more useless ones. Snaps > > or custom Linux repositories are the way to go here. Because of the > > in

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-05-11 Thread Peter Kokot
Not trying to rush anyone to something they have no energy working on anymore here but what's the plan here then? And what plan is there with these short tags on the long run? -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] MODERATE spam

2019-05-18 Thread Peter Kokot
... > > Can someone do some magic, and make it go away please ? > > Cheers > Joe 100+ daily spam emails here also. Considering that these don't get to other mailing lists, they can get regulated probably... -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] MODERATE spam

2019-05-20 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 22:02, Peter Kokot wrote: > > Hello, > > On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 12:06, Joe Watkins wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know what is the cause of all the spam from the announce > > mailing list? I'm not sure

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags

2019-05-24 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 20:56, Peter Kokot wrote: > > Not trying to rush anyone to something they have no energy working on > anymore here but what's the plan here then? And what plan is there > with these short tags on the long run? I'm just checking then why is t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Wiki display problem

2019-06-12 Thread Peter Kokot
no-check-certificate'. For the www.php.net page this works ok: wget https://www.php.net/distributions/php-7.3.6.tar.xz -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Wiki display problem

2019-06-12 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 14:29, Sascha Schumann wrote: > > Please try again. > > Sascha Great. Now it works. Thank you so much, Sascha... -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] What to do with ext/xmlrpc?

2019-06-28 Thread Peter Kokot
shows up, we can always > move it back. > > -- > Stas Malyshev > smalys...@gmail.com > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > Hello, sorry for bumping this one. Is the ext/xmlrpc extension

Re: [PHP-DEV] What to do with ext/xmlrpc?

2019-06-29 Thread Peter Kokot
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 17:57, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > > On 28.06.2019 at 17:49, Peter Kokot wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 19:43, Stanislav Malyshev > > wrote: > >> > >>> ext/imap should follow the same road. > >>> > >>&g

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Peter Kokot
ments has been reached on the original RFC. Since the original RFC has been vetoed and so much energy was invested from Zeev and some others commentators then I guess the RFCs fail and we will have two types of opening tags in PHP for ever. Otherwise, as described, yes. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-07 Thread Peter Kokot
iling List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > Yes, last time I was asking this, there was a clarification that certain people from the group internals can veto particular RFC. So, I think that this is the case here. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-07 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 16:14, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:56 PM Dan Ackroyd wrote: >> >> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 09:45, Peter Kokot wrote: >> > >> > Yes, last time I was asking this, there was a clarification that >> &g

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-07 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello. On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 18:56, Chase Peeler wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:45 PM Peter Kokot wrote: >> >> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 16:14, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:56 PM Dan Ackroyd

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-07 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 19:03, Chase Peeler wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:00 PM Peter Kokot wrote: >> >> Hello. >> >> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 18:56, Chase Peeler wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-07 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 21:25, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:45 PM Peter Kokot wrote: >> >> Considering that you're in favor of keeping the short opening tag in >> >> PHP "forever" because you haven't added any kind of

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-07 Thread Peter Kokot
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 00:38, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:39 AM Peter Kokot wrote: >> >> Thank you for such a detailed response. Ok, I understand then. Then >> next logical step here is - I would maybe want to use these awesome >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-08 Thread Peter Kokot
g a new web project since the core people can't come to conclusions how to make the language more consistent on the long run (PHP 9 etc)... With more and more ambiguities, inconsistencies, lockups, and dead ends behind the language there is probably also a bit of a factor to consider that it lowers this attractiveness. Meaning less people will think of adopting it (with all the things combined - short tags, that and that inconsistency not being removed from PHP due to major disastrous BC break there and there). So, the damage is also on the long run with more and more locks and dead ends not being able to be fixed and cleaned. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bringing Peace to the Galaxy

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Kokot
"legacy" extension (or better named to not cause issues with meaning that something like short tags will go away in future - the "traditional" extension) or something like that. Where developer would have option to enable it and use "traditional" or whatever named PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-14 Thread Peter Kokot
ew features, even if it's just the mental energy of > monitoring and responding to long threads like this one. > > Regards, Code is like a garden. If there are unwanted weeds and nobody cleans them up, the flowers don't shine and grow as they should. Cleaning of the weeds is just as important as new features. A bit less but important. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-14 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 11:09, Christian Schneider wrote: > > Am 14.08.2019 um 10:39 schrieb Peter Kokot : > >> The best counterargument I can give against "cleaning up" is that it takes > >> energy away from actual new features, even if it's just th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-14 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 12:09 Reinis Rozitis, wrote: > > It is surprising how thing that is considered by one to be a security > risk, is treated > > as nothing relevant by others. This dichotomy is quite disturbing - in > what case > > removing security risk is "no real gain"? > > It's questionable

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

2019-08-15 Thread Peter Kokot
#x27;ll > happily reply to private messages though. > > Thanks, > > Zeev Hello @everyone, this then also means that PHP will now never be a consistent language and short tags will be forever in so we will all be able to support Chase's gigantic legacy project forever? Solut

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

2019-08-15 Thread Peter Kokot
ntation phase) on the RFC? So, they can see the results before the voting phase and if the time investment is worth the trouble of adding a feature or not. Thank you. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Removing old branches in php-src

2019-08-19 Thread Peter Kokot
tion. Even with a list of branches that someone with access might even mistakenly pushed to origin decades ago. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
mentations out there. short tags will stay in PHP for at least another 10+ years, so maybe we should simply consider them not a part of legacy but a special kind of a feature. There are some parts in PHP comments and docs that needs this fixed and sorted out better a bit (probably - specially in

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 18:02, Chase Peeler wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:50 AM Peter Kokot wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 14:51, G. P. B. wrote: > > > > > > Hello internals, > > > > > > This RFC has been declined with

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 18:39, Rowan Tommins wrote: > > On 20/08/2019 17:18, Peter Kokot wrote: > > About the docs - there are > > very minor changes needed where "backwards compatibility" is mentioned > > maybe. Because they are not in PHP for keeping BC anymore

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 19:47, Peter Bowyer wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 17:18, Peter Kokot wrote: >> >> Let's simplify this a bit because I'm not sure I have seen anyone >> mentioning something like a PHP 10 milestone in all these discussions. >> If

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 23:37, Rowan Tommins wrote: > > On 20/08/2019 22:18, Peter Kokot wrote: > >> The approach was: add the deprecation notice in PHP 8, and remove short > >> open tags in PHP 9 or PHP 10 (purposely left vague to get more support for > >> the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Make error_reporting=E_ALL the default

2019-08-30 Thread Peter Kokot
ith the > defaults would be a good idea but then I'm not totally sure what it's point > *would* be. > > Best regards > > George P. Banyard About the error_reporting, I always set this to E_ALL for all environments also, yes. Syncing with the php.ini-production would pro

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Union Types v2 (followup on github usage)

2019-09-05 Thread Peter Kokot
d (several 10 years) discussion comments. This is not a problem because even with having an email archive online very rarely someone will return to such discussion. RFC content is there and will be there for PHP to move "elsewhere" though if such hypothetical case comes. Tank you.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Union Types v2 (followup on github usage)

2019-09-06 Thread Peter Kokot
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 11:11, Rowan Tommins wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 22:45, Peter Kokot wrote: > > > GitHub usage is inevitable. > > > > Did you use the wrong word here, or are you saying that, of all the > hundreds of different platforms we could investigate

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changing fundamental language behaviors

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Kokot
ss wants? One who won't upgrade due to the BC breaks also won't need the new features anyway very realistically. Microsoft, Zend, and Red Hat have been showing that this is actually possible. How smart this is for the PHP progress is another story, but for the business it might be good to think about this also I guess: https://github.com/microsoft/php-src/releases So, to make some sort of a milestone with some of the versions - either 8 or 9 or something. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] MODERATE spam

2019-09-26 Thread Peter Kokot
. But hopefully the relevant emails could be approved on time anyhow. Cheers. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Fibers

2021-03-16 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello everyone, I'm just adding a few cents into this discussion. I've voted "yes" because we don't have any other async stuff RFCs available nor in the preparation. PHP needs such functionalities very badly and very quickly to sort of speak. Adding a brand new extension in the core is maybe a s

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Fibers

2021-03-22 Thread Peter Kokot
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 18:23, Guilliam Xavier wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 5:23 PM G. P. B. wrote: > > > > > The thing is that by my recollections votes have already been extended. > > Mostly when there has been issues with the mailing list, or some outside > > event. > > > > Moreso, I don'

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Adding new closing tag =?> for keeping trailing newline

2022-06-08 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 at 20:16, shinji igarashi wrote: > > declare(ignore_newline_after_close_tag=false); > > Thanks for coming up with another idea! > > As others have already pointed out, disabling the closing tag from > eating trailing newline throughout the file would be inconvenient if > we wan

Re: [PHP-DEV] Increase maximum size of an uploaded file to 50Mbyte

2022-09-10 Thread Peter Kokot
On Sat, 10 Sept 2022 at 11:32, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > > 2022年9月7日(水) 22:58 Misha : > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We spend a lot of time to increase limits for uploads file in PHP. Can we > > increase it in php.ini? > > > > Current value is 2Mb. Its so small value, when photo image can take 8Mb on >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] include cleanup

2023-02-11 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 at 13:14, Max Kellermann wrote: > > On 2023/01/30 11:26, Max Kellermann wrote: > > If nobody objects, I'll announce the start of voting on February 1st. > > That's today. > > Voting starts now, please vote on my RFC: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/include_cleanup > > Original disc

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] include cleanup

2023-02-12 Thread Peter Kokot
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 09:31, Max Kellermann wrote: > > On 2023/02/11 17:14, Peter Kokot wrote: > > I've voted in favor of the RFC because of the code-cleaning, > > tech-debt-reducing improvements to code readability. > > Exactly my point, and I'm surpris

Re: [PHP-DEV] LDFLAGS broken?

2023-02-22 Thread Peter Kokot
On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 at 14:14, Max Kellermann wrote: > > On 2023/02/22 13:45, Max Kellermann wrote: > > 13 years ago, there was commit > > https://github.com/php/php-src/commit/477649cd3f09 which attempted to > > fix this, but was reverted on the same day by commit > > https://github.com/php/php-s

[PHP-DEV] Readme and contributing info

2017-10-13 Thread Peter Kokot
ake a look at these or suggest something better? I plan to do some more cosmetic improvements later on also. Thanks. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal: Rename image functions

2017-11-05 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello all, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't be a good practice to follow the currently set coding standards? https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/CODING_STANDARDS Good: 'foo_select_bar' Bad: 'fooinsertbaz' And therefore making aliases for all inconsistently named functions in the core

[PHP-DEV] GitHub repository topics

2017-11-15 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, I believe it would be also good to add so called topics to github.com/php/php-src repository. See this for more information: https://help.github.com/articles/about-topics/ A minimal set should include these two: - c - php Thanks. -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime

Re: [PHP-DEV] The site bugs.php.net appears to be down

2017-11-17 Thread Peter Kokot
It's down here as well. On 17 November 2017 at 23:03, Ryan Jentzsch wrote: > I am trying to look up and/or enter a bug report: > > downforeveryoneorjustme.com reports: > Is bugs.php.net down? > It's not just you! bugs.php.net looks down from here. -- Peter Kokot

[PHP-DEV] Local variables for editors

2017-11-29 Thread Peter Kokot
y chance to start omitting them and use a single .editorconfig file instead or is this something that is a must have in C projects of today? Thank you for some clarification on this :) -- Peter Kokot -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Fiber support (again)

2018-04-29 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, I've only briefly tested current implementation and from my point of view, people new to the concept of coroutines, the async/await syntax might be much more readable and understandable what is happening behind and why this might be useful to have in the core. But yes, I'm sure there is a l

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.2.6 Released

2018-05-24 Thread Peter Kokot
PBfiX3MfrlsxDxPjoiqW0jIfWLVD2RUQF > FhwPhYuX3rv3Ur+wObDkbcOj2pepB0mABUf+2qOleYxLjRsxqpyQxyICdWPhweiP > F1B2VZlo8+MJYO3CrtPlCLW8KQWzFK3El3jyfwCsDRhs86g5jpk7Y+wij5T9MDCI > 3AoA2NJ3b7PSFHnzHRkoW3QD7kX3KnfcXIvcjW+0eQo= > =ZenI > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- Peter Kokot

Re: [PHP-DEV] getting tests running with docker

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Kokot
at container. I think this will improve dev experience of other > people that want to help improving php source. > > Kind regards, > Frederik Bosch > > -- Peter Kokot

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 7.1.21

2018-08-01 Thread Peter Kokot
Joe? > > It was not Joe's day: > > https://github.com/php/php-src/commit/1891246c6637119e7ff5ab0d9826cf8f19223dac#r29914014 > -- > Jan > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- Peter Kokot

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1.21RC1 is available for testing

2018-08-02 Thread Peter Kokot
4LEr13OaAlvs53niFo7r4sYzayKZdM > NuNEQaXP7r5kS40Aqn/gjofIDg6j+4ni9atAwcbVY328iA4J5W5OWfS+XI5tSrs= > =3ABE > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > Cheers > Joe Hello, thank you for the release, there is also a PHP-7.21 tag which might be an issue when the final is released: https://g

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