[PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

Hi internals, If the readline extension is enabled, PHP provides an interactive shell under -a. If it is not enabled, it falls back to an "interactive mode" (yes, the difference between "interactive shell" and "interactive mode" is important here). The interactive mode is simply an stdin input, wh

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 10:37 AM Moritz Friedrich wrote: > > > Am 12.05.2021 um 10:12 schrieb Nikita Popov : > > > > Hi internals, > > > > If the readline extension is enabled, PHP provides an interactive shell > > under -a. If it is not enabled, it falls back to an "interactive mode" > > (yes, t

[PHP-DEV] Forget debug_print_backtrace() like exception backtraces

Hi internals, For historical reasons, debug_print_backtrace() and exceptions implemented their own logic for formatting backtraces. I don't think there's any particular reason to have different output from both, so I've put up https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/6977 to use the much more widely us

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

Morning Nikita, +1 on the change to cli. It can't really be a default extension right now because readline license is not compatible: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/3823 Even without the license problem, I'm not convinced of the value of adding the dependency: Because of this long standing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Trait constants

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:34 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 3:53 PM Stephen Reay > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > It’s always struck me as slightly odd that traits don’t support constants > > the way classes and interfaces do. > > I tried to find an explanation of the lack of support

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

Le 12/05/2021 à 11:29, Joe Watkins a écrit : Morning Nikita, +1 on the change to cli. It can't really be a default extension right now because readline license is not compatible: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/3823 Even without the license problem, I'm not convinced of the value of addin

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

> On 12 May 2021, at 11:39, Pierre wrote: > > Le 12/05/2021 à 11:29, Joe Watkins a écrit : >> Morning Nikita, >> >> +1 on the change to cli. >> >> It can't really be a default extension right now because readline license >> is not compatible: >> >> https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/3823 >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Trait constants

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:38 AM Guilliam Xavier wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:34 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 3:53 PM Stephen Reay >> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > It’s always struck me as slightly odd that traits don’t support >> constants >> > the way classes a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

Morning, Still I think heavy use has to be the exception, especially heavy use where readline is not available (because it's questionably useful). Cheers Joe On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 11:39, Pierre wrote: > Le 12/05/2021 à 11:29, Joe Watkins a écrit : > > Morning Nikita, > > > > +1 on the change

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Partial function application

> > > > BTW, ideally, partial functions should not increase the depth of the > > > > stacktrace at all. Do they? > > > > > > > > Nicolas > > > > > > They currently do, since they work by creating a Closure-esque object > > > called Partial with an __invoke() method. However, if you partial the > s

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:44 AM Michelangelo van Dam wrote: > > > > On 12 May 2021, at 11:39, Pierre wrote: > > > > Le 12/05/2021 à 11:29, Joe Watkins a écrit : > >> Morning Nikita, > >> > >> +1 on the change to cli. > >> > >> It can't really be a default extension right now because readline >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Trait constants

> On 12 May 2021, at 16:44, Nikita Popov wrote: > > On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:38 AM Guilliam Xavier > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:34 PM Nikita Popov wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 3:53 PM Stephen Reay >>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

> Am 12.05.2021 um 10:12 schrieb Nikita Popov : > > Hi internals, > > If the readline extension is enabled, PHP provides an interactive shell > under -a. If it is not enabled, it falls back to an "interactive mode" > (yes, the difference between "interactive shell" and "interactive mode" is > i

[PHP-DEV] Re: Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

On 12.05.2021 at 10:12, Nikita Popov wrote: > I think we would be better off disabling -a completely if readline is not > available, and exit with a helpful error message. I've opened > https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/6976 to that effect. Does that sound > reasonable? I'm in favor of dropping

[PHP-DEV] Re: Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 3:42 PM Christoph M. Becker wrote: > On 12.05.2021 at 10:12, Nikita Popov wrote: > > > I think we would be better off disabling -a completely if readline is not > > available, and exit with a helpful error message. I've opened > > https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/6976 t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

> Am 12.05.2021 um 10:12 schrieb Nikita Popov : > > Hi internals, > > If the readline extension is enabled, PHP provides an interactive shell > under -a. If it is not enabled, it falls back to an "interactive mode" > (yes, the difference between "interactive shell" and "interactive mode" is > imp

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

I would like to change the proposal to one based on the original proposal (pecl orng) instead of the confusing RFC proposal. https://github.com/zeriyoshi/php-ext-orng But, I am a bit skeptical about bc-break. It is possible to implement it without destroying the current behavior, but keeping the o

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

> 1) Get rid of all of the functions. Object-scoped means... you just have an object with methods on it. That's it. Yes. The previous proposal was a complete mess. We will change it to be based on the ORNG extension that we originally planned. https://github.com/zeriyoshi/php-ext-orng > 2) Don't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

> Also, I am happy to see that Nikita's rules for namespace assignment to > extensions have been approved. I'm going to use the `RNG` namespace. Just to be clear, you can only use `RNG` as a namespace if the extension is named `ext/rng`. You cannot add namespaced things to `standard` nor `SPL` no

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

Sorry about that. I thought I had indicated that I was getting rid of bc-break and carving out functionality for the `ext/rng` extension in the context of reverting to an ORNG-like class-based implementation. 2021年5月12日(水) 23:51 Levi Morrison : > > Also, I am happy to see that Nikita's rules for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 4:51 PM Levi Morrison via internals < internals@lists.php.net> wrote: > > Also, I am happy to see that Nikita's rules for namespace assignment to > extensions have been approved. I'm going to use the `RNG` namespace. > > Just to be clear, you can only use `RNG` as a namespa

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 8:58 AM Nikita Popov wrote: > > On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 4:51 PM Levi Morrison via internals > wrote: >> >> > Also, I am happy to see that Nikita's rules for namespace assignment to >> > extensions have been approved. I'm going to use the `RNG` namespace. >> >> Just to be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

> On May 12, 2021, at 3:12 AM, Nikita Popov wrote: > > Hi internals, > > If the readline extension is enabled, PHP provides an interactive shell > under -a. If it is not enabled, it falls back to an "interactive mode" > (yes, the difference between "interactive shell" and "interactive mode" is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

Am 11.05.2021 um 23:20 schrieb Larry Garfield : > 3) Perhaps it should be named RandomSequence or similar? It's not truly > generating random numbers. It's generating a repeatable but difficult to > produce sequence off of a seed value. That's not the same thing as > random_int() et al. > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

On Wed, 12 May 2021, 09:13 Nikita Popov, wrote: > > I think we would be better off disabling -a completely if readline is not > available, and exit with a helpful error message. I've opened > https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/6976 to that effect. Does that sound > reasonable? > > Regards, > Nik

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Partial function application

On Wed, May 12, 2021, at 4:51 AM, Nicolas Grekas wrote: > > > This makes me wonder: can we create a partial programmatically? Wouldn't > > > that be needed for some use cases? > > > Partial::createFromCallable($callable, the-args)? > > > > > > Nicolas > > > > I cannot think of a use case where tha

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 10:13 AM David Gebler wrote: > > On Wed, 12 May 2021, 09:13 Nikita Popov, wrote: > > > > > I think we would be better off disabling -a completely if readline is not > > available, and exit with a helpful error message. I've opened > > https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/69

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:43 PM Christian Schneider wrote: > Am 11.05.2021 um 23:20 schrieb Larry Garfield : > > 3) Perhaps it should be named RandomSequence or similar? It's not truly > generating random numbers. It's generating a repeatable but difficult to > produce sequence off of a seed va

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Partial function application

> > > > > This makes me wonder: can we create a partial programmatically? > Wouldn't > > > > that be needed for some use cases? > > > > Partial::createFromCallable($callable, the-args)? > > > > > > > > Nicolas > > > > > > I cannot think of a use case where that would be needed. Since you can > > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

On 12/05/2021 15:39, Go Kudo wrote: I haven't decided whether to include it in the next RFC, but we think we need to deprecate all functions that use RNGs with global state (shuffle(), array_rand(), str_shuffle()) in the future. I don't understand why that would be necessary or helpful. The ma

Re: [PHP-DEV] Disable interactive mode (-a) if readline not available

On 12/05/2021 17:21, Levi Morrison via internals wrote: The interactive shell requires libedit or readline support, which this build does not have. Run php without -a to get an interactive mode instead. Unless I'm missing something, the default CLI mode (php without -a) is "interact

Re: [PHP-DEV] Discussion: Object-scoped RNG

> - Do you think that PHP needs an object-scoped random number > > implementation? And why? if this means each object can maintain its own seed i dont know why php or many other languages dont have this truely. been doing game dev recently and i needed an rng system that does not involve messing