[PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
Guys (n' Girls), I think there was a lot of good and positive talk in the past few emails. Let me summarize: a) There are still people who have to fix some of their extension and are actually working on them. These fixes should definitely be in PHP 5 and the RC. b) There are people who are workin

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Frank M. Kromann
+1. I have a few classes written for php4 that does'nt work with the current cvs version of php5. I'm trying to reduce the code to be as small as possible but still showing the errors/bugs. I guess I have to speed up that process :-) - Frank > Guys (n' Girls), > > I think there was a lot of go

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Andi, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 8:12:33 AM, you wrote: > Guys (n' Girls), > I think there was a lot of good and positive talk in the past few emails. > Let me summarize: > a) There are still people who have to fix some of their extension and are > actually working on them. These fixes

[PHP-DEV] Java Extension

2003-11-12 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
I took a quick look at the Java extension just now. What I did was simply copy the ext/java directory from PHP_4_3 to HEAD. It builds okay but segfaults with this simple script: getProperty('java.version'); ?> zend_call_function(_zend_fcall_info * 0x0012f860, _zend_fcall_info_cache

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Andi Gutmans wrote: > It's not as if the Java one is a very feasible extension to use in > production environments because it's slooo and heavy. I agree. But I think people might "yell" at us because when remove functionality from PHP 4 to PHP 5. -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastia

[PHP-DEV] raw post data

2003-11-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
Any chance we can make the necessary changes to support an upload progress bar? I came accross this web site but I'm not quite sure if always populating RAW_POST_DATA is enough. http://www.raditha.com/php/progress.php Andi -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe,

Re: [PHP-DEV] raw post data

2003-11-12 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Patches to do this have been posted here a couple of times, nobody was interested. As for always populating the raw post data. See the aptly named always_populate_raw_post_data php.ini setting. -Rasmus On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Andi Gutmans wrote: > Any chance we can make the necessary changes to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Stig S. Bakken
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:57, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Andi Gutmans wrote: > > It's not as if the Java one is a very feasible extension to use in > > production environments because it's slooo and heavy. > > I agree. But I think people might "yell" at us because when remove > functio

[PHP-DEV] some public relation for php 5

2003-11-12 Thread Wolfgang Drews
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Hi all, after the RC/Beta-discussion of php5 i habe set up a separate mailinglist to discuss about HOW we can make a better public relation for PHP5. The reason for doing this is, that IMHO there is far to less information/

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Derek Ford
__ And - maybe Zend can help here - to enforce the communication of php5 and it's features (i.e. pay some good people to write an extra-column on zend-website, php-website and wellknow php-portals around the world, introducing STEP

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: >Andi Gutmans wrote: >> It's not as if the Java one is a very feasible extension to use in >> production environments because it's slooo and heavy. > > I agree. But I think people might "yell" at us because when remove > functionality from P

AW: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Wolfgang Drews
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Hi Derek, > I would suggest starting a mailing list or some such for the > admins of php community websites, where you guys can write up > small explanations and lists of your changes that make it to cvs. started this one

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread George Schlossnagle
On Nov 12, 2003, at 3:42 AM, Stig S. Bakken wrote: On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:57, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Andi Gutmans wrote: It's not as if the Java one is a very feasible extension to use in production environments because it's slooo and heavy. I agree. But I think people might "yell"

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 07:37 12/11/2003, Stig S. Bakken wrote: Yes, but it's not only the engine that would be going into RC, it's the entire distribution. John has a very good point in that some of the changes that people are looking to PHP 5 for will be extension specific, releasing an RC before the extensions are m

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Uwe Schindler
One important thing before RC1 is to fix the libraray filenames on Windows to be php5.dll. How is the status about that? - Uwe Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.php.net NSAPI SAPI developer Erlangen, Germany -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, vi

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Olivier Hill
Uwe Schindler wrote: One important thing before RC1 is to fix the libraray filenames on Windows to be php5.dll. How is the status about that? I'll do the diff file next Saturday. But we will need to rename some files in case a "php4..." name doesn't sound right. Oliver -- GB/E/IT d+ s+:+ a-- C

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Olivier Hill
Zeev Suraski wrote: Now, while popping mail over a 24,000bps modem in some hotel in Tokyo, I just saw that Andi suggested that we go for Beta 3 around Nov 30. To be honest - again, given the relative lack of wide feedback for the betas - I don't think it will be very beneficial, but I don't thi

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Andi Gutmans wrote: > So I suggest the following, let's kick ourselves in the tush, aim for Beta > 3 on the 30th of November, and hopefully after that we can do a feature > freeze and go into bug fixing only mode. We can re-evaluate this date as we > get closer in case people

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Uwe Schindler
How about function names (in my SAPI module I changed everything from for example php4_execute to php5_execute for NSAPI). How about Apache and the others? Should be there some in-code fixes, too? At 16:49 12.11.2003, Olivier Hill wrote: Uwe Schindler wrote: One important thing before RC1 is to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Wez Furlong
That would be illegal. > If we're rushing to release, can we at least bundle a version of > mysqli that can work with the 4.1-alpha download packages on > MySQL.com? -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Olivier Hill
Uwe Schindler wrote: How about function names (in my SAPI module I changed everything from for example php4_execute to php5_execute for NSAPI). How about Apache and the others? Should be there some in-code fixes, too? You mean like php5_apache.dll should be loaded with a: LoadModule mod_php5 ph

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread George Schlossnagle
On Nov 12, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Olivier Hill wrote: Maybe I am mistaken, but I just though of that this morning... I was reading some slides from Rasmus yesterday, and I was looking at a graph about Op-Codes compilation/cache. I then asked myself how it would be done in PHP5. Pretty much the same

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Olivier Hill
Wez Furlong wrote: That would be illegal. Yup.. unless PHP would be OSI certified? Or have a license exception from MySQL, which is slow to obtain. Oliver -- GB/E/IT d+ s+:+ a-- C++$ UL$ P L+++$ E- W++$ N- ?o ?K w--(---) !O M+$ V- PS+ PE- Y PGP t++ 5-- X+@ R- tv++ b++(+++) DI D+ G++

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Wez Furlong
> Yup.. unless PHP would be OSI certified? http://opensource.org/licenses/php.php > Or have a license exception from MySQL, which is slow to obtain. This is the problem right now. --Wez. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 11:14 AM 11/12/2003 -0500, Olivier Hill wrote: Wez Furlong wrote: That would be illegal. Yup.. unless PHP would be OSI certified? PHP is OSI certified. Andi Or have a license exception from MySQL, which is slow to obtain. Oliver -- GB/E/IT d+ s+:+ a-- C++$ UL$ P L+++$ E- W++$ N- ?o ?K

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg
Sorry. I was unclear. I don't want to actually bundle MySQL. I'm familiar with *that* discussion. I want to #ifdef out the parts of the mysqli extension code that use features added by MySQL, AB into 4.1 tree *after* their packaged "alpha" release. Since the current version of mysqli uses these fe

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Zeev Suraski wrote: >(*) I think many of those are actually old ZE1 bugs that were tested to >also break ZE2, and given the fact I told Jani that ZE1 bugs are second >priority, he retagged them as ZE2 bugs. You may have to keep them for >downwards compatibility ;) Act

[PHP-DEV] return by reference behaviors in PHP 5

2003-11-12 Thread Daniel Convissor
Greetings: I'm familliar with the new "Only variables or references can be returned by reference" behavior in PHP 5 and am helping the PEAR crew resolve compatibility issues on this front. I ran some tests using the php5-win32-20031530 snapshot and came across results I didn't expect. I thou

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Shane Caraveo
Zeev Suraski wrote: My suggestion - we'll work on fixing ZE2 bugs (*). Fix as many as we can as soon as possible, and aim to release on Dec 15. Worst case - we'll delay to Xmas. If enough changes accumulate - we can have B3 too, but I'm not sure it will be necessary, because the betas don't

[PHP-DEV] patch for ssize_t stuff in win32 build

2003-11-12 Thread Steph
I stayed with the stuff we know _can't_ affect anything else this time ;) Please can someone with the requisite karma commit this? - Steph -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Olivier, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 5:12:37 PM, you wrote: > Uwe Schindler wrote: >> How about function names (in my SAPI module I changed everything from >> for example php4_execute to php5_execute for NSAPI). How about Apache >> and the others? Should be there some in-code fixes, too

FW: [PHP-DEV] patch for ssize_t stuff in win32 build

2003-11-12 Thread Steph
OK, this time I'll name it '.txt' too .. ! let me know if you have any trouble with applying it, I haven't tested this software before. -Original Message- From: Steph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 November 2003 20:42 To: internals Subject: [PHP-DEV] patch for ssize_t stuff in win32 b

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Thies C. Arntzen
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:44:23PM +0100, Marcus Boerger wrote: > Hello Olivier, > > Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 5:12:37 PM, you wrote: > > > Uwe Schindler wrote: > >> How about function names (in my SAPI module I changed everything from > >> for example php4_execute to php5_execute for NSAPI)

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Olivier Hill
Marcus Boerger wrote: I installed php5 from ./makerpm today and yes i needed to LoadModule mod_php5 php5_apache.dll (if i were on windows) Hello Marcus, Well, that's what I though. IIRC, the last time I tried PHP5 under Windows, the Apache SAPI code was changed. I was uncertain what Uwe meant a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Zeev, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 3:14:27 PM, you wrote: [...] > BTW - I agree with Edin about some issues that need to be solved, with the > most important one IMHO being libxml bundling. In all efforts to avoid a > thread on this subject of any shape or form - I'd really like to push

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Thies, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 9:47:01 PM, you wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:44:23PM +0100, Marcus Boerger wrote: >> Hello Olivier, >> >> Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 5:12:37 PM, you wrote: >> >> > Uwe Schindler wrote: >> >> How about function names (in my SAPI module I chang

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC 1 - Article/Tutorial Sponsorship Opportunity

2003-11-12 Thread Jeremy Johnstone
I saw a mention of someone inquiring if Zend would sponsor the writing of articles / tutorials on PHP5, and that it appeared Andi wasn't too keen on the idea. I went to my boss and found that my employer would be interested in possibly sponsoring articles to be written on the new features and benef

[PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread l0t3k
Two things that need fixing : 1. support for class constants for internal classes. Christiano has already posted a patch. 2. session support for internal classes. should we have a Serializable interface which classes inherit, or have sleep and wakeup handlers in the zend_object_hand

[PHP-DEV] php5 method return reference error?

2003-11-12 Thread Walter A. Boring IV
Howdy, I'm playing with php5 (from cvs), and came accross a strange error that doesn't happen with php4. Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me? I get the error "Fatal error: Only variables or references can be returned by reference in /home/waboring/devel/html/test.php on line 11"

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC1

2003-11-12 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Marcus Boerger wrote: > have some machines that build for the important distributions. I'm planning to install Fedora in a VMware somewhen soon so I could run makerpm for this distribution. -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ Das B

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 RC 1 - Article/Tutorial Sponsorship Opportunity

2003-11-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hey, I think you misunderstood me. I didn't mean I wasn't keen on the idea. We are constantly paying people to write articles. I just meant that I think it's wrong if no one documents here because they'll say "companies like Zend will finance it". There are things beyond articles which need to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3

2003-11-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 12:22 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, l0t3k wrote: Two things that need fixing : 1. support for class constants for internal classes. Christiano has already posted a patch. I applied his patch. As I told him I don't think persistent internal classes across requests will be supported with all the bells

Re: [PHP-DEV] php5 method return reference error?

2003-11-12 Thread Analysis & Solutions
Hi Walter: On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:13:10PM -0800, Walter A. Boring IV wrote: > > "Fatal error: Only variables or references can be returned by reference > in /home/waboring/devel/html/test.php on line 11" This is the expected behavior. This has been discussed in the bugs database and on this