Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-26 Thread Andrei Zmievski
It seems to me that the only usable method of "ring fencing" core classes for the long term is to use namespaces. However, the namespaces feature is a fairly large one and obviously will not be in 5.1. We can discuss its inclusion in 5.2, should it happen to come out, or in PHP 6, but we need

Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-26 Thread Sebastian Kugler
On 11/26/05, Jani Taskinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So you're also for letting PEAR dictate what PHP has and not the other > way around? Somehow this doesn't sound right. This is not about PEAR dictating, and the PEAR developers are not those who would suffer from this PHP date cla

Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-26 Thread Pierre
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:07:15 +0200 (EET) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jani Taskinen) wrote: > On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Pierre Joye wrote: > > > This ext/date problem is something I will hate to see happen again. > > Well, it's totally your own fault. I remember the couple of times > you were asked t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-26 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Pierre Joye wrote: This ext/date problem is something I will hate to see happen again. Well, it's totally your own fault. I remember the couple of times you were asked to commit your stuff but you had some other things to do. Now that someone did the work, you

Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-26 Thread Pierre Joye
On 11/26/05, Jani Taskinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So you're also for letting PEAR dictate what PHP has and not the other > way around? Somehow this doesn't sound right. No, I do not let Derick decided on his own what should be commited in a last RC. I do not let Derick decides wh

Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-26 Thread Jani Taskinen
So you're also for letting PEAR dictate what PHP has and not the other way around? Somehow this doesn't sound right. --Jani On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Andrei Zmievski wrote: I have to ask: what does renaming really buy us? The only purpose of introducing this class in RC6, as far as I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-26 Thread Lester Caine
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: The attached patch is a possible solution to the date *crisis*, it renames the class to PhpDate to avoid any namespace conflicts with pear or custom user classes called date. If there are no strong objection 5.1.1 (5.1.0 + this patch and nothing e

Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: The attached patch is a possible solution to the date *crisis*, it renames the class to PhpDate to avoid any namespace conflicts with pear or custom user classes called date. If there are no strong objection 5.1.1 (5.1.0 + this patch and nothing else) goes out on Monday.

RE: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-25 Thread Bob Silva
I object your honor! This will set the stage for any other core objects to follow the same convention. If namespaces are in PHPs future, design wise it would make more sense to have them in a namespace ("PHP" seems to be popular), but if this is released now as PhpDate, moving it to a namespace wo

Re: [PHP-DEV] Solution to date issue in 5.1

2005-11-25 Thread Andrei Zmievski
I have to ask: what does renaming really buy us? The only purpose of introducing this class in RC6, as far as I can tell, was to reserve the 'Date' name for future use. Since this goal is clearly unachievable, what is the point of keeping a barely functional class around (as PhpDate)? In my op