[PHP-DEV] RE: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Andi Gutmans
> -Original Message- > From: Lukas Kahwe Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:15 PM > To: Christopher Jones > Cc: Pierre Joye; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PHP Internals > Subject: Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: &g

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Jones
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > However the point here is. There is a proposal on the table to change > the php.net project to be able to bring in developers we do not know, > for code they have not yet written, for specs they have not yet > contributed. This is flipping our development process upsid

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 14.02.2008, at 22:19, Christopher Jones wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > On 14.02.2008, at 22:07, Christopher Jones wrote: > >> >> >> Pierre Joye wrote: >> >> > You (as group) >> >> We are individuals, all members of the mail lists. > > Ok, could the Microsoft and IBM people on this lis

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 14.02.2008, at 23:06, Christopher Jones wrote: I think most multi-person plans that impact an existing OSS project have had some genesis in private discussions before being broadcast. For PDO V2, this discussion was just really slow and intermittent. Yeah, I am basically fine with this. I

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Jones
Pierre Joye wrote: > As we all agree that poor drivers are not welcome (and great drivers > are...), the problem here is not about improving PHP database support > (call it PDOv2 or DBDOv3) but to introduce CLA'ed areas in PHP, php > core or PECL. It would be nice to dissociate the two and to be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi Chris, On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Christopher Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The code and strength of contributions and maintenance is the ultimate > evidence of what can be trusted. Poor quality drivers, if they are > distributed via a PECL-only distribution, will acquire their

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Jones
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > On 14.02.2008, at 22:07, Christopher Jones wrote: > >> >> >> Pierre Joye wrote: >> >> > You (as group) >> >> We are individuals, all members of the mail lists. > > Ok, could the Microsoft and IBM people on this list please speak up > then? Could also one of the Oracl

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 14.02.2008, at 22:07, Christopher Jones wrote: Pierre Joye wrote: > You (as group) We are individuals, all members of the mail lists. Ok, could the Microsoft and IBM people on this list please speak up then? Could also one of the Oracle internals guys speak up on this list? That is

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Jones
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > OSS is a collaborative process that is not about some manager > allocating some ressources here and there. People usually make > personal commitments here and maybe this is the bigger culture clash > than the CLA. Oracle contributes to a range of open source projects,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-13 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 14.02.2008, at 04:04, Steph Fox wrote: Tell us the names of these entities, companies or persons, who are going to contribute and what are actually their requirements. What will they bring (saying "expertise" is not something I can buy)? I don't understand what is so hard to understand that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-13 Thread Steph Fox
Tell us the names of these entities, companies or persons, who are going to contribute and what are actually their requirements. What will they bring (saying "expertise" is not something I can buy)? I don't understand what is so hard to understand that it is a minimum to get before we can even dis