On Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 7:42 PM Jordi Boggiano wrote:
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> > I'm surprised that is_resource() returns false for resource objects,
> > does anyone knows why it wouldn't return true in such case ?
> >
> > This is a very weird behavior, I'd expect it to return true, moreover
> > this is the most annoyi
Le dim. 26 sept. 2021 à 14:42, Jordi Boggiano a écrit :
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> > I'm surprised that is_resource() returns false for resource objects,
> > does anyone knows why it wouldn't return true in such case ?
> >
> > This is a very weird behavior, I'd expect it to return true, moreover
> > this is the most an
I'm surprised that is_resource() returns false for resource objects,
does anyone knows why it wouldn't return true in such case ?
This is a very weird behavior, I'd expect it to return true, moreover
this is the most annoying detail of this BC break, in my opinion.
I have lots of code usin
On Thu, 23 Sept 2021 at 17:53, Nikita Popov wrote:
> I believe the changes in PHP 8.1 with the highest migration burden for
> open-source libraries are the additional of tentative return types (aka
> "put #[ReturnTypeWillChange] everywhere") and deprecation of null arguments
> to internal functio
Am 23.09.2021 um 18:52 schrieb Nikita Popov:
I believe that this continues to be the default behavior of PHPUnit for
example. This means that in practice, deprecations do break code, even
though they are intended not to.
That is correct: by default, PHPUnit converts PHP deprecations, errors,
n
On 24/09/2021 15:11, Larry Garfield wrote:
Might one possible way forward be to work with the PHPUnit folks to make deprecations not a
test-breaking issue, but report them side-channel somehow? (Like "risky" tests now pass,
but have an extra note on them.) That seems like it would resolve the
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Nikita Popov wrote:
> I believe the changes in PHP 8.1 with the highest migration burden for
> open-source libraries are the additional of tentative return types (aka
> "put #[ReturnTypeWillChange] everywhere") and deprecation of null arguments
> to internal func
Hi,
Am 22.09.21 um 15:29 schrieb Matthew Weier O'Phinney:
Here's the issue: while overall, I like the move to resource objects,
introducing them in a MINOR release is hugely problematic.
Previously, you would do constructs such as the following:
if (! is_resource($resource) || get_resourc
On 23/09/2021 17:52, Nikita Popov wrote:
If we dropped
all non-deprecation changes from PHP 8.1, the upgrade would be a bit
easier, but not by much. This is not where the main cost is.
Be that as it may, the question remains whether *the particular case of
is_resource() and get_resource_type(
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 3:30 PM Matthew Weier O'Phinney <
mweierophin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yesterday, I opened an issue regarding a change in the pgsql extension (
> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81464).
>
> PHP 8.0 introduced the concept of "resource objects". Where previously we
> would have
On 22/09/2021 15:02, Kamil Tekiela wrote:
I just want to point out that PHP does not follow semantic versioning. It
never did and there are no plans to start following it now.
This statement is true.
Breaking changes were made in all previous versions, both major and minor.
This statemen
> As somebody who's been contributing to and maintaining OSS libraries
> forever (since 2002), the pace of change of PHP is, frankly, ridiculous. I
> can keep up with patches. I can keep up with new features. But BC breaks
> EVERY YEAR just creates churn. I've spent most of the past 18 months doing
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 15:24, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <
mweierophin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:01 AM G. P. B. wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 14:30, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <
>> mweierophin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yesterday, I opened an issue regarding a change in t
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:39 AM Calvin Buckley wrote:
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <
> mweierophin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As somebody who's been contributing to and maintaining OSS libraries
> > forever (since 2002), the pace of change of PHP is, frankly, ridiculous.
On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
wrote:
> As somebody who's been contributing to and maintaining OSS libraries
> forever (since 2002), the pace of change of PHP is, frankly, ridiculous. I
> can keep up with patches. I can keep up with new features. But BC breaks
> EVERY YEAR
Le 22/09/2021 à 16:24, Matthew Weier O'Phinney a écrit :
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:01 AM G. P. B. wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 14:30, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <
mweierophin...@gmail.com> wrote:
As somebody who's been contributing to and maintaining OSS libraries
forever (since 2002), the pac
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:01 AM G. P. B. wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 14:30, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <
> mweierophin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yesterday, I opened an issue regarding a change in the pgsql extension (
>> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81464).
>>
>> PHP 8.0 introduced the conce
Le 22/09/2021 à 15:29, Matthew Weier O'Phinney a écrit :
Yesterday, I opened an issue regarding a change in the pgsql extension (
https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81464).
PHP 8.0 introduced the concept of "resource objects". Where previously we
would have resources, and use `get_resource_type()`
I just want to point out that PHP does not follow semantic versioning. It
never did and there are no plans to start following it now.
Breaking changes were made in all previous versions, both major and minor.
The only time when we try to avoid breaking changes is in patch releases.
These are extrem
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 14:30, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <
mweierophin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yesterday, I opened an issue regarding a change in the pgsql extension (
> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81464).
>
> PHP 8.0 introduced the concept of "resource objects". Where previously we
> would have
I suspect this is true (I have not tested yet to be sure) for the Toolkit for
IBM i, since it looks at resource types for the same purpose (determine
database connection type). Minor fix, but it is a BC break.
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
> wrote:
>
> Yesterday, I o
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