Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-28 Thread David Axmark
On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 18:14, Sascha Schumann wrote: > > I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and > > remove the mysql library from the PHP source tree. This won't affect > > the extension, it simply means we won't be bundling the *library* with > > PHP anymore. This is

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-23 Thread Per Lundberg
On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 22:17, Georg Richter wrote: > Zak is already working on license problems, incompatibility and possible > solutions. Wouldn't it be better to give him and MySQL AB a little bit more > time? That would be a good thing. What I think should be clearly stated is that it is a *

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Sterling Hughes
> Zak is already working on license problems, incompatibility and possible > solutions. Wouldn't it be better to give him and MySQL AB a little bit more > time? > What would've been better if MySQL provided a suitable option before they changed their licenses to the GPL. This is MySQL's mess

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Olivier Hill
James Cox wrote: I think this is the most sensible idea posted so far. The notion that we *don't* lose out if we unbundle by default is wrong -- we're going to have so many "my MySQL is broken, HELP!!!" support requests, it's going I completely agree on that. A long time ago, when I started to lear

RE: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread James Cox
> Wouldn't it be better to give [Zak] and MySQL AB a > little bit more time? I think this is the most sensible idea posted so far. The notion that we *don't* lose out if we unbundle by default is wrong -- we're going to have so many "my MySQL is broken, HELP!!!" support requests, it's going to b

RE: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Mike Robinson
Georg Richter wrote: > According to the MySQL license, you need a commercial license > when using PHP 4 with MySQL 4.x, cause PHP license isn't > a) OSI approved and b) GPL compatible. Unbelievable. Guess the postgres guys are licking their chops over this. > We have the same problem with ext/my

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Georg Richter
On Saturday 21 June 2003 18:14, Sascha Schumann wrote: > There are rumours that MySQL AB does not want to provide a > license exemption. The only consequence is that we should > not steer users into their hands through simplified > deployment. rumors from #php.de ? :) Georg --

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Shane Caraveo
Sascha Schumann wrote: There are rumours that MySQL AB does not want to provide a license exemption. The only consequence is that we should not steer users into their hands through simplified deployment. Derick Rethans wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > >>By the w

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Zak Greant
On June 21, 2003 14:17, Georg Richter wrote: ... > Zak is already working on license problems, incompatibility and > possible solutions. Wouldn't it be better to give him and MySQL AB a > little bit more time? I had hoped to have the exception done over a week ago, but there have been a few co

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Zak Greant
On June 21, 2003 10:14, Sascha Schumann wrote: ... > There are rumours that MySQL AB does not want to provide a > license exemption. The only consequence is that we should > not steer users into their hands through simplified > deployment. What!?! Given that I am the one working

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Georg Richter
On Saturday 21 June 2003 23:44, Andi Gutmans wrote: Hi Andi, > Do you have a URL? I couldn't find it on the MySQL.com site. check http://www.mysql.com/news/article-81.html -> Read more: MySQL 4.0 In A Nutshell Regards Georg -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscr

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 10:30 PM 6/21/2003 +0200, Georg Richter wrote: On Saturday 21 June 2003 20:58, Andi Gutmans wrote: > By the way, was there an official MySQL announcement about the move to GPL? > Yes they did, but it was not the title of the announcement. :) Do you have a URL? I couldn't find it on the MySQL.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Georg Richter
On Saturday 21 June 2003 20:58, Andi Gutmans wrote: > By the way, was there an official MySQL announcement about the move to GPL? > Yes they did, but it was not the title of the announcement. :) Georg -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Georg Richter
Hi all, as maintainer of ext/mysql and ext/mysqli I'm standing between php and mysql, and I spent a lot of time on both extensions, so don't ask me :) Currently bundled libmysql prevents users to violate license. If you need an external lib, you normally download latest stable, which is 4.0.x a

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Andi Gutmans wrote: > By the way, was there an official MySQL announcement about the move to GPL? Not really... atleast nobody send something to a PHP list about it. I was highly suprised when Arjen told me at a conference, and it looks like they tried to hide it or somethi

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Andi Gutmans
By the way, was there an official MySQL announcement about the move to GPL? Andi At 08:17 PM 6/21/2003 +0200, Andi Gutmans wrote: At 11:43 AM 6/21/2003 -0400, Sterling Hughes wrote: Hey, I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and remove the mysql library from the PHP so

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Wei He
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Ilia A. wrote: > Most distributions I am aware of already ship with compiled & installed MySQL > libraries. So, in many cases unless you seek to upgrade (or downgrade if 4.X > libs are in place and you need 3.X libs) you won't need to do a thing. Big > distros such as rhat

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Ilia A.
Most distributions I am aware of already ship with compiled & installed MySQL libraries. So, in many cases unless you seek to upgrade (or downgrade if 4.X libs are in place and you need 3.X libs) you won't need to do a thing. Big distros such as rhat will probably already have compiled modules f

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 11:43 AM 6/21/2003 -0400, Sterling Hughes wrote: Hey, I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and remove the mysql library from the PHP source tree. This won't affect the extension, it simply means we won't be bundling the *library* with PHP anymore. This is in a larg

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Ilia A. wrote: > On June 21, 2003 11:55 am, Marcus Börger wrote: > > Please disable ext/mysql by default then, too. > > Please don't, if the configure script can find the mysql library needed by the > extension on the system I see no reason why not to enable to mysql extensi

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Wei He
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Ilia A. wrote: > On June 21, 2003 11:55 am, Marcus Börger wrote: > > Please disable ext/mysql by default then, too. > > Please don't, if the configure script can find the mysql library needed by the > extension on the system I see no reason why not to enable to mysql extensi

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Ilia A.
On June 21, 2003 11:55 am, Marcus Börger wrote: > Please disable ext/mysql by default then, too. Please don't, if the configure script can find the mysql library needed by the extension on the system I see no reason why not to enable to mysql extension by default. Given the large number of php +

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Ilia A.
On June 21, 2003 11:43 am, Sterling Hughes wrote: > Hey, > > I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and > remove the mysql library from the PHP source tree. This won't affect > the extension, it simply means we won't be bundling the *library* with > PHP anymore. This is

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Sascha Schumann
> I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and > remove the mysql library from the PHP source tree. This won't affect > the extension, it simply means we won't be bundling the *library* with > PHP anymore. This is in a large part due to MySQL's decision to switch > to usin

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Sterling Hughes wrote: > I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and > remove the mysql library from the PHP source tree. This won't affect > the extension, it simply means we won't be bundling the *library* with > PHP anymore. This is in a large par

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Wei He
I think it would be a good thing. Many time I have to recompile PHP to use it with MySQL to avoid charset warnings. Wei He -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Wez Furlong
+1 > I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and > remove the mysql library from the PHP source tree. This won't affect > the extension, it simply means we won't be bundling the *library* with > PHP anymore. This is in a large part due to MySQL's decision to switch > to

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Sterling Hughes
Yep, that's my plan :-) -Sterling On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 11:55, Marcus Börger wrote: > Hello Sterling, > > Saturday, June 21, 2003, 5:43:30 PM, you wrote: > > SH> Hey, > > SH> I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and > SH> remove the mysql library from the PHP source

Re: [PHP-DEV] removing bundled libmysql

2003-06-21 Thread Marcus Börger
Hello Sterling, Saturday, June 21, 2003, 5:43:30 PM, you wrote: SH> Hey, SH> I'm putting this message out as a feeler. I'm going to go ahead and SH> remove the mysql library from the PHP source tree. This won't affect SH> the extension, it simply means we won't be bundling the *library* with S