On Fri, May 19, 2023, at 6:55 PM, Robert Landers wrote:
> I'd also like to add that I like the 'hands-off' approach that PHP has
> taken in the past. I'm not a fan of some of the PSRs. I literally had
> someone tell me a few months ago that I would never be a 'real
> programmer' because I used tabs
I'd also like to add that I like the 'hands-off' approach that PHP has
taken in the past. I'm not a fan of some of the PSRs. I literally had
someone tell me a few months ago that I would never be a 'real
programmer' because I used tabs instead of spaces which is against the
PSR-12 spec (which is my
On Fri, May 19, 2023, at 2:02 PM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2023 at 08:45, Arvids Godjuks
> wrote:
>
>> I think this whole thread can be summarized into a single statement:
>>
>> "Let's integrate PSR standards into PHP core and ship those interfaces as
>> part of the language"
>>
>
>
>
On Fri, 19 May 2023 at 08:45, Arvids Godjuks
wrote:
> I think this whole thread can be summarized into a single statement:
>
> "Let's integrate PSR standards into PHP core and ship those interfaces as
> part of the language"
>
That's one of the angles that's come up, but there are also some oth
On Fri, May 19, 2023, 09:26 Mike Schinkel wrote:
> > On May 18, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Rowan Tommins
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 16:27, Deleu wrote:
> >> Monolog is a great example of what PHP is missing - a single library
> for a
> >> purpose. I have never worked with any other library besi
> On May 18, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 16:27, Deleu wrote:
>> Monolog is a great example of what PHP is missing - a single library for a
>> purpose. I have never worked with any other library besides Monolog and I
>> never worked on any project which didn't h
On 5/18/23 9:00 PM, Deleu wrote:
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:56 PM Rowan Tommins
wrote:
On 18 May 2023 20:15:44 BST, Deleu wrote:
I meant exactly the opposite. Monolog is an example of what PHP (is
missing
=== doesn't have enough of). There's hardly any reason to re-release it
under the PH
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:56 PM Rowan Tommins
wrote:
> On 18 May 2023 20:15:44 BST, Deleu wrote:
> > I meant exactly the opposite. Monolog is an example of what PHP (is
> missing
> > === doesn't have enough of). There's hardly any reason to re-release it
> > under the PHP umbrella. Monolog alrea
> On May 18, 2023, at 10:27 AM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
> On the one hand, PEAR was a single "baseline" that everyone expected; on
> the other hand, packages tended to be slow to adapt to new needs and
> fashions, and inflexible to different environments. So instead, people
> moved to:
>
> - Fram
On 18 May 2023 20:15:44 BST, Deleu wrote:
> I meant exactly the opposite. Monolog is an example of what PHP (is missing
> === doesn't have enough of). There's hardly any reason to re-release it
> under the PHP umbrella. Monolog already won the log battle. I can't say the
> same for virtually anyth
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:35 PM Rowan Tommins
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 16:27, Deleu wrote:
>
> Monolog is a great example of what PHP is missing - a single library for a
> > purpose. I have never worked with any other library besides Monolog and I
> > never worked on any project which did
Hi Marco
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 7:35 PM Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 16:27, Deleu wrote:
>
> Monolog is a great example of what PHP is missing - a single library for a
> > purpose. I have never worked with any other library besides Monolog and I
> > never worked on any projec
On Thu, May 18, 2023, at 5:34 PM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
> I actually wonder if some things in core should be removed to encourage
> userland replacements - ext/soap, for instance, and some of the data
> structures in ext/spl.
>
> IMHO, the things that would benefit from being written in PHP then b
On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 16:27, Deleu wrote:
Monolog is a great example of what PHP is missing - a single library for a
> purpose. I have never worked with any other library besides Monolog and I
> never worked on any project which didn't have it installed. Perhaps my
> bubble might be a limiting f
Hi
On 5/18/23 18:13, tag Knife wrote:
An extension of this, Looking on packagist. The namespace PHP is reserved,
in collaboration with PHP, Composer and Packagist. Official PHP packages
can use the /PHP/... root namespace.
And can be published on packagist under the PHP namespace
To my underst
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:43 AM Reinis Rozitis wrote:
> > I have worked with PHP for 14 years now and I know nothing about PEAR.
> It either says something about me or about PEAR.
>
> Then the next logical question would be do you know what PECL is? :)
>
> But to be short my point is - before
An extension of this, Looking on packagist. The namespace PHP is reserved,
in collaboration with PHP, Composer and Packagist. Official PHP packages
can use the /PHP/... root namespace.
And can be published on packagist under the PHP namespace
https://packagist.org/packages/php/ -- Note this URL CU
>
> The work to get started seems to be about:
>
> 1- Getting an RFC to approve this idea itself
> 2- Getting a repository to host the PHP package code.
> 3- CI/CD
> 4- Release Management
> 5- Versioning Strategy
> 6- Package naming convention
> 7- Distribution strategy (single package vs multiple
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:27 AM Rowan Tommins
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 14:12, Deleu wrote:
>
> > > Or PEAR?
> > > Like that particular path_join() request is exactly
> > >
> >
> https://pear.php.net/package/File_Util/docs/latest/File/File_Util/File_Util.html#methodbuildPath
> >
> >
> > I
> I have worked with PHP for 14 years now and I know nothing about PEAR. It
> either says something about me or about PEAR.
Then the next logical question would be do you know what PECL is? :)
But to be short my point is - before attempting to get new function(ality) in
core it (seems to me)
On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 14:12, Deleu wrote:
> > Or PEAR?
> > Like that particular path_join() request is exactly
> >
> https://pear.php.net/package/File_Util/docs/latest/File/File_Util/File_Util.html#methodbuildPath
>
>
> I have worked with PHP for 14 years now and I know nothing about PEAR. It
>
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 3:07 AM Deleu wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> Reading through https://externals.io/message/120323#120326 and
> https://externals.io/message/120323#120332, it reminded me of a few times
> I've seen similar debates on internals about "why not do this on userland?"
> and the consensus
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 8:55 AM Reinis Rozitis wrote:
> > Which begs the question of a PHP Package for PHP. Some benefits:
> >
> > - Written in PHP, it will allow a much wider pool of contributors than
> the
> scarce pool of C developers contributing to PHP source code.
>
> Aren't this what frame
> Which begs the question of a PHP Package for PHP. Some benefits:
>
> - Written in PHP, it will allow a much wider pool of contributors than the
scarce pool of C developers contributing to PHP source code.
Aren't this what frameworks are for (Laravel / Yii / Symfony / Zend etc)?
Or PEAR?
Like th
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