Stefan Marr wrote:
On 26 Mar 2010, at 10:26, mathieu.suen wrote:
Variable has been discuss in *http://tinyurl.com/y9t7nd9
Right, and related to that we have freezable traits
http://scg.unibe.ch/scgbib?_k=NNRwidu5&query=freezable+traits&display=abstract
Which influenced this RFC for PH
On 26 Mar 2010, at 10:26, mathieu.suen wrote:
> Variable has been discuss in *http://tinyurl.com/y9t7nd9
Right, and related to that we have freezable traits
http://scg.unibe.ch/scgbib?_k=NNRwidu5&query=freezable+traits&display=abstract
Which influenced this RFC for PHP: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/n
Stefan Marr wrote:
On 25 Mar 2010, at 21:30, Stefan Marr wrote:
On 25 Mar 2010, at 16:37, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
Hi,
this was just brought up on IRC. my understanding is that traits have no
concept of properties, but grafts do (all hidden internally). correct?
Right, the Tra
Stefan Marr wrote:
> Well, my personal (I admit very academic) position is:
> - Traits are not classes
> - Traits are not interfaces
> - Traits are not types
> - Traits cannot be instantiated
>
> Thus, there is no meaning of a is_a and instanceof
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On 25.03.2010, at 22:59, Stefan Marr wrote:
>
> On 25 Mar 2010, at 21:30, Stefan Marr wrote:
>> On 25 Mar 2010, at 16:37, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> this was just brought up on IRC. my understanding is that traits have no
>>> concept of properties, but grafts do (all hidden inter
On 25.03.2010, at 21:23, Stefan Marr wrote:
> Hi:
>
>
> On 24 Mar 2010, at 17:58, Jonathan Bond-Caron wrote:
>> One thing I feel is missing from the RFC is how is_a() and instanceof are
>> affected with traits or grafts.
> Well, my personal (I admit very academic) position is:
> - Traits are no
On 25.03.2010, at 21:13, Stefan Marr wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2010, at 11:50, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
>> "In case of the above definition of Talker, PHP will show a warning that
>> there have been conflicts and name the methods smallTalk() and bigTalk() as
>> the reason of this conflict. Therefore,
On 25 Mar 2010, at 21:30, Stefan Marr wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2010, at 16:37, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> this was just brought up on IRC. my understanding is that traits have no
>> concept of properties, but grafts do (all hidden internally). correct?
> Right, the Traits proposal as it is
On 25 Mar 2010, at 16:37, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this was just brought up on IRC. my understanding is that traits have no
> concept of properties, but grafts do (all hidden internally). correct?
Right, the Traits proposal as it is at the moment, avoids the explicit
discussion of st
Hi:
On 24 Mar 2010, at 17:58, Jonathan Bond-Caron wrote:
> One thing I feel is missing from the RFC is how is_a() and instanceof are
> affected with traits or grafts.
Well, my personal (I admit very academic) position is:
- Traits are not classes
- Traits are not interfaces
- Traits are not ty
Hi,
On 24 Mar 2010, at 11:50, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> "In case of the above definition of Talker, PHP will show a warning that
> there have been conflicts and name the methods smallTalk() and bigTalk() as
> the reason of this conflict. Therefore, neither of the given implementations
> will b
Hi
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> On 25.03.2010, at 14:48, David Soria Parra wrote:
>> Stefan what do you think about "stackable traits" ?
>
>
> Woha .. that code really scares me.
>
While I like features like this in other languages, I think it would
be a big break
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Am 25.03.10 16:21, schrieb Stefan Marr:
>
> On 25 Mar 2010, at 16:00, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
>> On 25.03.2010, at 14:48, David Soria Parra wrote:
>>> This approach is taken in scala and works pretty fine there for composing
>>> classes
>>> during r
Hi,
this was just brought up on IRC. my understanding is that traits have no
concept of properties, but grafts do (all hidden internally). correct?
regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
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On 25 Mar 2010, at 16:00, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> On 25.03.2010, at 14:48, David Soria Parra wrote:
>> This approach is taken in scala and works pretty fine there for composing
>> classes
>> during runtime and should be douable in PHP too. For sure aliasing is not
>> possible in this example.
On 25.03.2010, at 14:48, David Soria Parra wrote:
> Just as a general idea (which is certainly something after traits are
> implemented once)
>
> Scala offers stackable traits so that you can mixin traits during object
> creation.
> An example:
>
> trait Philosophical {
>public function t
Just as a general idea (which is certainly something after traits are
implemented once)
Scala offers stackable traits so that you can mixin traits during object
creation.
An example:
trait Philosophical {
public function think () {
echo "Cogito ergo sum";
}
}
trait Drink {
Hi Lukas,
Hi Jonathan:
Just a quick response on the renaming issue.
On 24 Mar 2010, at 18:04, Jonathan Bond-Caron wrote:
> On Wed Mar 24 06:50 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
>> The third sentence is not so clear to me, but if I guess it its also
>> just a typo as it makes more sense to me when re
On Wed Mar 24 06:50 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> The third sentence is not so clear to me, but if I guess it its also
> just a typo as it makes more sense to me when replacing "renaming" to
> "result in renaming". But maybe you could tweak that paragraph to be a
> bit clearer. For example its
On Wed Mar 24 06:50 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> Ahoi,
>
> Thought it would be better to open up a new thread and also using the
> term "horizontal reuse" in the subject so that we make it clearer that
> there are actually two approaches. Here is the URL for Stefan's
> proposal:
> http://wiki.
Ahoi,
Thought it would be better to open up a new thread and also using the term
"horizontal reuse" in the subject so that we make it clearer that there are
actually two approaches. Here is the URL for Stefan's proposal:
http://wiki.php.net/rfc/horizontalreuse
"In case of the above definition o
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