Re: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-30 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Hans Zaunere wrote: I know apache_hooks but after discussion with George and others, I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending to clients, especially with EXPERIMENTAL notes and no mention on php.net. The potential functionality it could provide, however, would be very popular, on par with mod_rewr

Re: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-30 Thread George Schlossnagle
On Dec 30, 2004, at 2:23 PM, Hans Zaunere wrote: That has nothing to do with Apache2 and has been available for Apache1 for years. It just isn't a very popular feature. See the apache_hooks code. I know apache_hooks but after discussion with George and others, I wouldn't feel comfortable recomme

RE: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-30 Thread Hans Zaunere
> > That presents somewhat of a chicken-and-egg problem. Production sites > > won't be compelled to make a move until PHP recommends it in some way, > > or if there is a killer feature that pulls people in, regardless of the > > perceived stability. > > Right, and they shouldn't. If there is no

Re: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-28 Thread Marc Richards
Mike Robinson wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Hans Zaunere wrote: That presents somewhat of a chicken-and-egg problem. Production sites won't be compelled to make a move until PHP recommends it in some way, or if there is a killer feature that pulls people in, regardless of the perceived stability.

RE: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-28 Thread Mike Robinson
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > Hans Zaunere wrote: > > That presents somewhat of a chicken-and-egg problem. > > Production sites won't be compelled to make a move until PHP > > recommends it in some way, or if there is a killer feature > > that pulls people in, regardless of the perceived stability. >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-28 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Hans Zaunere wrote: That presents somewhat of a chicken-and-egg problem. Production sites won't be compelled to make a move until PHP recommends it in some way, or if there is a killer feature that pulls people in, regardless of the perceived stability. Right, and they shouldn't. If there is no c

RE: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-28 Thread Hans Zaunere
> > The Apache2 debate is more interesting. I am just running up a nice new > > AMD64, with SUSE9.1 (no 9.2 disk handy), and the first thing I find - > > and which does not bother me at all - ONLY Apache2 in the distribution. > > I KNOW all the reasons for feet dragging, and I am doing it myself o

Re: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-23 Thread Lester Caine
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Sure, but I mostly go by the number of open bugs on the handler and filter sapis and how long they stay open. Even seemingly obvious ones with a patch attached stay open for a while: eg. http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=31055 Which has the fix with it - so could be applied

Re: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Andi Gutmans wrote: Well there have been a couple of fixes there. I didn't quite understand the vague idea that it is stable. Do you mean we don't know it's stable? It might not be as tested as sapi/apache but I've seen Apache 2 handler in production use on quite a few very heavily loaded sites.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-22 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Sean Coates wrote: > Andi Gutmans wrote: > > Thanks. Where is the change made? > > New docs can be seen here: > http://livedocs.phpdoc.info/index.php?l=en&q=install.unix.apache2 > (will update on php.net next time the manual is built (by Derick)) It's running ATM, so fastest

Re: [PHP-DEV] Why we don't like PHP /

2004-12-22 Thread Sean Coates
Andi Gutmans wrote: > Thanks. Where is the change made? New docs can be seen here: http://livedocs.phpdoc.info/index.php?l=en&q=install.unix.apache2 (will update on php.net next time the manual is built (by Derick)) Here's the diff (mail): http://www.phpdoc.info/commits/1210 S -- PHP Internals - PH