Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-09 Thread Dan Ackroyd
While I think there still might be a seed of a good idea here, I am not going to pursue it at this time. I believe that it could be misused to distract from productive conversations. Before it can be discussed further, the PHP project needs to have a Code of Conduct to prevent people who are in s

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread James Gilliland
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 8:34 AM Dan Ackroyd wrote: > > # Proposal - improve visibility of negative feedback > > When someone creates an RFC, near the top of that page they should > create a link to a separate page that will contain negative feedback. > People other that the RFC author are free to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Rowan Collins
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 14:46, Lynn wrote: > The current setup allows for a single author to write down counter > arguments. As the counter arguments seem to primarily be opinionated, I'm > interested to see who's opinion it is, as two people can have different > opinions on the same subject. If pe

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Lynn
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 3:19 PM Rowan Collins wrote: > > Firstly, I would somewhat question why you need to know who holds an > opinion. RFCs, and any dissenting opinions, are not manifestoes in > elections, they are information presented so that you can form your own > opinion. They should not be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Rowan Collins
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 13:54, Lynn wrote: > Taking the current RFC ( > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/counterargument/deprecate_php_short_tags) as > example, how do we as reader differentiate between people's counter > arguments? When I read those points, I feel like this is something agreed > upon by t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Lynn
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 2:33 PM Rowan Collins wrote: > The key difference between an RFC and a discussion thread is that it > presents a summary or synthesis, which can be much more easily digested > than a full discussion. It is also, crucially, editable, so can be reworded > or corrected to clar

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Rowan Collins
On 5 August 2019 14:33:53 BST, Dan Ackroyd wrote: >When someone creates an RFC, near the top of that page they should >create a link to a separate page that will contain negative feedback. >People other that the RFC author are free to put whatever negative >feedback think is appropriate on that 'n

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-05 Thread Zeev Suraski
> > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dan Ackroyd wrote: > So, recently there was some discussion about RFCs that have passed > despite there being some strong objections to them. > > I think there is a fundamental problem that could be addressed here, > in that the arguments 'for' an RFC have muc

[PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-05 Thread Dan Ackroyd
So, recently there was some discussion about RFCs that have passed despite there being some strong objections to them. I think there is a fundamental problem that could be addressed here, in that the arguments 'for' an RFC have much higher visibility than the arguments 'against' an RFC. The RFC pa