Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Lester Caine
Ondřej Surý wrote: Well, basically the pecl-json-c is now a default provider of JSON extension in Debian (and Fedora) and the downstream distributions (Ubuntu, RHEL, ...). This is an area I've highlighted in the past ... While the PHP distributions define a 'core' set of modules, I don't know

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > So if something is a question which needs > discussion, it is proper to raise it to the list, that doesn't mean > automatically it's considered not important or not worth fixing - quite > the contrary, raising it on the list makes sure more

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > Unfortunatelly nobody pointed out that it has to be discussed in the mailing > list in the mentioned bug report. We have stated that we have a problem > with JSON license and we had to solve the problem we had. > I consider the licensing issue as a bug and it's always better to track it > as

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Patrick ALLAERT
2013/8/28 Stas Malyshev : > Hi! > >> And while the issue was first reported by Debian, the other >> distributions share the same concerns. This is why PHP should consider >> this - because the other parts of the eco-system are already going >> forward with this. > > What we need to consider this ex

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > I would like to react on Stat's "it's-not-our-problem" comment in > > https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 > > I assume by "Stat" you mean myself, though I'm not the only one who > Yup, sorry for mangling your name, this must be a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Remi Collet
Le 29/08/2013 07:54, Pierre Joye a écrit : > hi Remi! > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Remi Collet wrote: > >> But we are PHP project members. And we ship an OpenSource software which >> is Licensed under the "PHP License", a "really" free License (per FSF >> definition). > > Ah? I always r

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Remi! On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Remi Collet wrote: > But we are PHP project members. And we ship an OpenSource software which > is Licensed under the "PHP License", a "really" free License (per FSF > definition). Ah? I always read that the PHP License is not actually Free as per FSF d

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Pierre Joye
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> I would like to react on Stat's "it's-not-our-problem" comment in >> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 > > I assume by "Stat" you mean myself, Change your first name! It is incompatible with most autocomplete out there ;-) >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Remi Collet
Le 29/08/2013 00:36, Jan Ehrhardt a écrit : > Stas Malyshev in php.internals (Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:40:06 -0700): >> What we need to consider this extension as a replacement for core JSON is: >> - explanation of advantages and disadvantages (noting that for most PHP >> users "weird license" is not a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Remi Collet
Le 28/08/2013 23:40, Stas Malyshev a écrit : > Hi! > >> And while the issue was first reported by Debian, the other >> distributions share the same concerns. This is why PHP should consider >> this - because the other parts of the eco-system are already going >> forward with this. Yes. This is no

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Jan Ehrhardt
Stas Malyshev in php.internals (Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:40:06 -0700): >What we need to consider this extension as a replacement for core JSON is: >- explanation of advantages and disadvantages (noting that for most PHP >users "weird license" is not a significant disadvantage of the >extension) of the c

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > And while the issue was first reported by Debian, the other > distributions share the same concerns. This is why PHP should consider > this - because the other parts of the eco-system are already going > forward with this. What we need to consider this extension as a replacement for core JS

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Lior Kaplan
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=136768085009866&w=2 > > This is great but this is not exactly what I'm talking about. There's a > big difference between having an extension that does JSON in PECL and > replacing part of PHP cor

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=136768085009866&w=2 This is great but this is not exactly what I'm talking about. There's a big difference between having an extension that does JSON in PECL and replacing part of PHP core (and very commonly used part) by something else. It very well may

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Lior Kaplan
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > I would like to react on Stat's "it's-not-our-problem" comment in > > https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 > > However, given all that, I think the matter would be handled better if, > before taking decisions that can influence man

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > I would like to react on Stat's "it's-not-our-problem" comment in > https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 I assume by "Stat" you mean myself, though I'm not the only one who expressed the same sentiment of questioning why this is submitted as a "bug" in PHP. Assuming that, below are my thou

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 08:55 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to react on Stat's "it's-not-our-problem" comment in > https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 I see Stas' reply as respond to Jordi (seld on php.net). We can discuss what *we* *will* do, but for arguing about Debian/Ubunt

[PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-27 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi, I would like to react on Stat's "it's-not-our-problem" comment in https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 I am very sad to see a core developer take such a passive-aggressive stance against distributions' problems. My wild guess would be that most of the users use the PHP in the pre-packaged f