On 22 Aug 2014, at 12:36, Derick Rethans wrote:
> Although I think it is good to make it work the same on every platform,
> I do think that changing it to *match* what the most used compiler (GCC)
> on our most used platform (Linux/AMD64) is what the new behaviour should
> be like — not somet
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
> On 20 Aug 2014, at 03:53, Laruence wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> >> Good evening,
> >>
> >> I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how
> >> integers are handled, targeted at PHP 7:
> >>
>
On 21/08/14 19:17, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> We have millions of people using PHP 5, and the goal is for
> almost all of them to eventually use PHP 7, otherwise there's no point
> in it. Each BC break creates another hurdle on the way to it. We should
> take it seriously.
Currently we have millions s
Hey:
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Kris Craig wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>>
>> > I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers
>> > are handled, targeted at PHP 7:
>> >
>> > htt
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Marc Bennewitz wrote:
> On 21.08.2014 17:30, Derick Rethans wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Kris Craig wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers
> > > > are ha
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Kris Craig wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> >
> > > I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers
> > > are handled, targeted at PHP 7:
> > >
> > > https://
On 21.08.2014 17:30, Derick Rethans wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Kris Craig wrote:
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers
are handled, targeted at PHP 7:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics
Thoug
What if we were to *quantify* backwards compatibility in a way, as opposed
to just discussing the hypothetical BC breaking potential of a change?
I've never thought of this before, but this discussion had me thinking...
When I write a library that has a large user base, I try to write as many
unit
Hi!
>> And since you're targetting the next major release, BC isn't an issue.
>
> This sort of blanket statements that "Backwards Compatibility is not an
> issue" with a new major version is extremely unwarranted. *Extreme care*
> should be taken when deciding to break Backwards Compatibility. It
On 8/21/14, 11:09 AM, Levi Morrison wrote:
Every time we break BC — in either of the ways Derick said — we narrow
the subset of PHP 5 and PHP 7 that's available to people writing PHP
code that has to work on both. If we narrow it too far, it'll be too
unexpressive, or too hard to use, or just p
> Every time we break BC — in either of the ways Derick said — we narrow
> the subset of PHP 5 and PHP 7 that's available to people writing PHP
> code that has to work on both. If we narrow it too far, it'll be too
> unexpressive, or too hard to use, or just plain won't do something
> that they'll
On 21 Aug 2014, at 18:28, Adam Harvey wrote:
> Every time we break BC — in either of the ways Derick said — we narrow
> the subset of PHP 5 and PHP 7 that's available to people writing PHP
> code that has to work on both. If we narrow it too far, it'll be too
> unexpressive, or too hard to use,
On 21 August 2014 08:30, Derick Rethans wrote:
> Can I please urge people to not take Backwards Compatibility issues so
> lightly. Please think really careful when you suggest to break Backwards
> Compatibility, it should only be considered if there is a real and
> important reason to do so. Chang
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Kris Craig wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
> > I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers
> > are handled, targeted at PHP 7:
> >
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics
> >
> > Thoughts and questions are
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> Good evening,
>
> I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers are
> handled, targeted at PHP 7:
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics
I think it is good to make sure it behaves the same on all systems.
However, I
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
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> On 20 Aug 2014, at 06:52, Dmitry Stogov wrote:
>
> > 1) INF conversion to zero seems wrong. May be +INF should be converted
> to MAX_LONG and -INF to MIN_LONG?
>
> I think of Infinity as more of an error value than an actual number. Not
>
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
> On 20 Aug 2014, at 03:53, Laruence wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>>> Good evening,
>>>
>>> I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers are
>>> handled, targeted at PHP 7:
>>
On 20 Aug 2014, at 03:53, Laruence wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>> Good evening,
>>
>> I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers are
>> handled, targeted at PHP 7:
>>
>> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics
>
> I'd like do
On 20 Aug 2014, at 06:52, Dmitry Stogov wrote:
> 1) INF conversion to zero seems wrong. May be +INF should be converted to
> MAX_LONG and -INF to MIN_LONG?
I think of Infinity as more of an error value than an actual number. Not using
MAX_LONG and MIN_LONG means it casts to the same value mat
1) INF conversion to zero seems wrong. May be +INF should be converted to
MAX_LONG and -INF to MIN_LONG?
2) Negative shifts would be useful, as Sara mentioned.
3) a bit unrelated, but it also may make sense to introduce a logical right
shift operator (>>> in Java)
the rest seems fine, patch look
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics
>
In a perfect world, I'd rather see "<< -X" be equivalent to ">> X",
but since we do something very different currently, I think your
approach of throw an error and ask questions later seems appropr
Hey:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> Good evening,
>
> I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers are
> handled, targeted at PHP 7:
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics
I'd like don't change the works behavior. make it act the simil
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> Good evening,
>
> I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers are
> handled, targeted at PHP 7:
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics
>
> Thoughts and questions are appreciated. Thanks!
> --
> Andrea Fauld
Good evening,
I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers are
handled, targeted at PHP 7:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics
Thoughts and questions are appreciated. Thanks!
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/
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