Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-08 Thread Nikita Popov
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:56 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 5:37 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > >> >> I'm certainly not a domain expert in RTL languages. I'd be happy to drop >> hebrev() from this RFC if someone can bring forward a good technical >> argument as to why these functio

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-08 Thread Zeev Suraski
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 5:37 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > > I'm certainly not a domain expert in RTL languages. I'd be happy to drop > hebrev() from this RFC if someone can bring forward a good technical > argument as to why these functions are still necessary and where they would > be used. > I do i

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-08 Thread Nikita Popov
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:01 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:38 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:55 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:28 PM Nikita Popov >>> wrote: >>> I have now made the following changes to the RFC: >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-08 Thread Zeev Suraski
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:38 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:55 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:28 PM Nikita Popov wrote: >> >>> I have now made the following changes to the RFC: >>> >>> * Removed enable_dl deprecation. The fact that dl() is currentl

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-08 Thread Thomas Hruska
On 7/8/2019 4:55 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote: Why are we proactively making the lives of users more difficult for literally no gain at all? Zeev Because that's what software developers tend to do when they are bored. Instead of focusing on API stability, squashing bugs and other generally mundane

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-08 Thread Nikita Popov
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:55 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:28 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > >> I have now made the following changes to the RFC: >> >> * Removed enable_dl deprecation. The fact that dl() is currently >> available >> by default on CGI, which is a server SAPI, ma

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-08 Thread Zeev Suraski
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:28 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > I have now made the following changes to the RFC: > > * Removed enable_dl deprecation. The fact that dl() is currently available > by default on CGI, which is a server SAPI, makes this more dicey and needs > more careful consideration. As this

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-08 Thread Nikita Popov
On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:37 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 10:21 PM Stanislav Malyshev > wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> enable_dl - I am not clear what is proposed - to remove dl() >> functionality in PHP 8 completely, even in CLI? Or to keep it in CLI >> always on and remove the direct

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-07-05 Thread Nikita Popov
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 10:21 PM Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > enable_dl - I am not clear what is proposed - to remove dl() > functionality in PHP 8 completely, even in CLI? Or to keep it in CLI > always on and remove the directive? > My opinion: drop the directive, let the SAPI decide if d

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for 7.4 - specifics

2019-06-22 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! enable_dl - I am not clear what is proposed - to remove dl() functionality in PHP 8 completely, even in CLI? Or to keep it in CLI always on and remove the directive? My opinion: drop the directive, let the SAPI decide if dl() is possible, with CLI keeping it. Not sure about embed though. But I