Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-08-20 Thread Fleshgrinder
On 6/3/2017 6:40 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote: > Next promised RFC (and the last one for this weekend): > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaces-in-core > > I am unsure about whether we should avoid the usage of abbreviations for > things like language (lang), standard (std), and utility (util). I think

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-17 Thread Fleshgrinder
On 6/3/2017 6:40 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote: > Next promised RFC (and the last one for this weekend): > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaces-in-core > > I am unsure about whether we should avoid the usage of abbreviations for > things like language (lang), standard (std), and utility (util). I think

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-11 Thread Fleshgrinder
On 6/11/2017 1:08 AM, Dan Ackroyd wrote: > Hi 'Fleshgrinder', > > I object to this RFC on principle. > > RFC's are supposed to be opionated. They are supposed to present an > argument for why we should do something, and why doing that is a good > idea. > > This RFC does not do that; it presents

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-10 Thread Dan Ackroyd
Hi 'Fleshgrinder', I object to this RFC on principle. RFC's are supposed to be opionated. They are supposed to present an argument for why we should do something, and why doing that is a good idea. This RFC does not do that; it presents a series of questions to vote on, without any clear present

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-10 Thread Fleshgrinder
On 6/10/2017 11:11 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: > You put out namespaces for them which implies you think we might do that. > Erm ... not really ... I am sorry if my examples lead to a confusion on your side. Let's try this the other way around. What are *other extensions* for you? -- Richard "Fle

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-10 Thread Levi Morrison
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote: > On 6/10/2017 9:24 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: >> If we were starting from scratch maybe we'd do as you are proposing. >> However, there is absolutely zero value in these specific things being >> namespaced *anywhere*: >> >> - Arrays >> - Refl

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-10 Thread Fleshgrinder
On 6/10/2017 9:24 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: > If we were starting from scratch maybe we'd do as you are proposing. > However, there is absolutely zero value in these specific things being > namespaced *anywhere*: > > - Arrays > - Reflection > - Strings > - IO > > We already have establishe

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-10 Thread Levi Morrison
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote: > On 6/10/2017 8:54 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: >> I gave this feedback before but I'll repeat it. I support namespaces >> in the core, with the `PHP` namespace (with whatever capitalization we >> decide) to be reserved *solely* for things related

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-10 Thread Fleshgrinder
On 6/10/2017 8:54 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: > I gave this feedback before but I'll repeat it. I support namespaces > in the core, with the `PHP` namespace (with whatever capitalization we > decide) to be reserved *solely* for things related to the language > itself such as lexer, parser, etc. > > I

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-10 Thread Levi Morrison
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote: > On 6/3/2017 6:40 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote: >> Next promised RFC (and the last one for this weekend): >> >> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaces-in-core >> >> I am unsure about whether we should avoid the usage of abbreviations for >> things like

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-10 Thread Fleshgrinder
On 6/3/2017 6:40 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote: > Next promised RFC (and the last one for this weekend): > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaces-in-core > > I am unsure about whether we should avoid the usage of abbreviations for > things like language (lang), standard (std), and utility (util). I think

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Namespaces in Core

2017-06-03 Thread Fleshgrinder
Next promised RFC (and the last one for this weekend): https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaces-in-core I am unsure about whether we should avoid the usage of abbreviations for things like language (lang), standard (std), and utility (util). I think it is not necessary to write them out fully, but, we